Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 3:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.johnmccain.com/videolandin...

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Goto to both websites and actually do some research.

Posted by hiloecho on October 14, 2008 at 6:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Being an Independant I too understand your feelings. I have watched the McCain/Palin machine continue to churn out accusations over and over while never really addressing the issues at hand the American public is concerned over. At the VP debate Palin would just not answer questions she felt uncomfortable with instead choosing to wink and use phrases like "joe six-pack" while she went on the attack. At the Presidential debate we see McCain saying I know how to fix Social Security and I know how to capture Bin Laden without filling us in on what the plan is. The more these two continue to attack and avoid the issues the more I will lean towards Obama/Biden.

Posted by apricottx on October 14, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh darn you Walter, I wanted to be the first to tell Palin to pull her big girl panties on and quit hiding from the media and the public.

I was pretty much decided before McCain picked Palin, but I was definitely decided afterward. He should have picked a more formidable woman (since that is his ploy, using a woman VP) like Kay Bailey Hutchinson.

Early voting starts Oct. 20.

Posted by hspower2003 on October 14, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I will vote for McCain/Palin no matter what. The RNC is making a mistake by using Palin to be critical of the Obama/Biden ticket. By nature Palin is a positive personality and should be used in such a fashion, and it's been a costly mistake to change her mode of operation. If McCain looses, it will be because of that.

Using her personality and popular opinion, without interference, is what got her a 80% approval rating in Alaska. Don't script her and turn her loose!

Carl Rove needs to be fired! I'm sure it's his negative attitude that has sunk the RNC.

Posted by npyuma on October 14, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I never knew that a self-described "die-hard Democrat" ever had trouble deciding where to cast his or her vote. However, it's refreshing to see someone with an open mind in this election, especially with a direct party affiliation.

Posted by robertwp on October 14, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Over the last 100 years, Missouri has only gone for the losing candidate once. That was 1956. The polls in Missouri are showing a 51 to 43 lead for Obama. Polls show that if the election were held today, Obama would have an almost 200 point lead in the Electoral College. That is a landslide. The reason for this is that GWB has Republicans running from their own party. The task for Republican incumbents is to convince the voters that they are Democrats. There happens to be a big nest of the remaining Republican faithful right here in Abilene. That is due to the fact that a group of stinkers lose their awareness of the stink when they are huddled together. The Republican Party that brought us the Great Depression has done everything they could to bring us the GDII. They have preached about family values and fiscal conservatism while they have practiced unbridled greed and cronyism. Their lack of ethics and absence leadership has produced the cartoon that is the McCain/Palin ticket. Soon they will be moved into the cellar of American politics along with the Christian Falangist Party and the American Party. Thank God!!!

Republicans should follow the example of the rats and abandon the ship.
Vote Democrat!!!

Posted by Tumbleweed on October 14, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don’t think many voters actually listen to what either party spits out; the “we’ll do this and we’ll change that” on everything from my taxes to your taxes and the only thing I don’t think I’ve heard promised is a chicken in every pot.
If you believe wholeheartedly your candidate can deliver, then I want you to take your shoes and socks off cause we are going to do some real ciphering.
If I have a certain amount of money available to manage regarding my family and their needs and at the end of every month there is less than what is necessary to cover those needs that’s called a deficit (bad thing). If there is more then that’s called a surplus (good thing).
The federal government has been operating in a deficit since I can remember. So, here’s the question you need to ask before you drink the Kool-Aid.
How are you going to pay for this promise? I can’t promise my son a new bike for his birthday if I can’t afford it. Oh, sure I can promise and then not come through and talk my way out of not fulfilling that promise with one or another excuse, just like every politician has done in our lifetime.
Oh I know some of you out there believe the solution is tax more here and reduce spending here, it’s still the same, unless you are talking about redistributing wealth (that’s un-American). It’s still a deficit or a surplus; until the US is debt free we can’t have anymore. Or, maybe you think it’s because of the war once that’s not wasting money we’ll be good. We had a deficit before the war. Ok stop picking your toes and consider this.
How about a flat tax? How about a 10% cut across the board in the federal budget? How about America and American’s first?
One last thing if you keep drinking the Kool-Aid your thirst will never be quenched and you’ll just get hyperactive.

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tumbleweed at this point i have more confidence supporting Obama than McCain.
The last deficits you speak of are republican. Don't forget the borrow and spend economics of the last 3 repubilican presidents.
I can not with good conscience vote republican.

Posted by robertwp on October 14, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The federal government has been operating in a deficit since I can remember. So, here’s the question you need to ask before you drink the Kool-Aid."

I'll jog your memory.

Bill Clinton, the last Democrat to hold the office of Pres, balanced the budget and erased the deficit.

Tumbleweed, you are the one walking around with a kool-aid moustache.

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You picked the wrong subject koolaid drinker.

Posted by Tumbleweed on October 14, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLIT...

robertwp/donny here is Bill telling us how the budget was balanced but the debt was still enourmous. Or over $100,000 per person, I don't have that kind of cash, do you? I don't want to pass that to my kids, do you?

It's not about the president it's congress that needs to be cleaned out.

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLIT...
It was clinton and greenspan that balanced the budget.
What ever happened to Newts contract on america?

Posted by tomg130 on October 14, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

robert He did not erase the deficit ck it again around 5 trillion (its now aroud 10 T)

Posted by Tumbleweed on October 14, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't get me confused with a republican or a democrat. Newt was no differant than Obama, both are pooaticians. Slinging promises to get the vote and then bamm they blame each other.

Posted by robertwp on October 14, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Y'all need to look up your definitions. Clinton balanced the budget and erased the deficit. He didn't pay off the debt. However, we were able to pay down the national debt once we were operating with a surplus. We are talking about 3 different things. The national debt is one. That is currently around 10 trillion (a number that the Brits don't even use. They would say 10 thousand billion) What we are spending on the war in Iraq doesn't appear in this figure. That is on top of the national debt. Neither Bush 1 or 2 (fiscal conservatives?) were able to balance the budget and so this created a deficit between what we were taking in and what was going out. When we are paying out more than we take in, the debt grows larger. When we balance the budget and take in more than we pay out, we are able to pay on our debt. You need to have a grip on these three concepts before you can post a coherent comment about any of the three.

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reagan started the borrow and spend robert. He said deficit spending doesn't matter.

Posted by letsroll on October 14, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's try to get back on topic.

I'm going to pull this from the original post

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Anymore when you see Sarah Palin on TV, you see her use her convenient and supposedly innocent Alaskan accent, hockey-mom common talk trying to make a point that she has been well-versed in by her advisers in hopes of us believing that she actually knows what she's talking about.

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So Walter, you'd leave me to believe that you know Gov. Palin, you've spent some time following her and her policies, and never noticed that she has an Alaskan accent?

She is a hockey Mom, and she loves her family. She loves her country. She is not a Washington insider, someone that was voted into her position based on what she stands for, and that has made a lot of people upset. It upset them even more when they saw that she followed through.

That is what really confuses me, because most people that want real change would like to see someone new come in.

It's people that claim they want change and then come out and speak about it when they are given the option that scare me.

Posted by Shootstir on October 14, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, Robert, we are all aware of your views regarding Democratic conservatism where budgets are concerned, but your current hero-of-the-moment is proposing a HUGE, unprecedented big government tax hike the likes the U.S. has NEVER seen in order to pay for his Jupiter-sized social(istic) budget to meet every one of his constituent's needs. Tell us, oh wise one, where will the money come from?

Posted by huckster on October 14, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

actually, his hero-of-the-moment is dennis kucinich. he already told us that he just settled for obama.

i think it's the aliens that are controlling his mind.

Posted by Beforeuask on October 14, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Clinton said pretty much the same as Obama when he ran for president. He turned centrist though.

Posted by robertwp on October 15, 2008 at 12:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"but your current hero-of-the-moment is proposing a HUGE, unprecedented big government tax hike the likes the U.S. has NEVER seen in order to pay for his Jupiter-sized social(istic) budget to meet every one of his constituent's needs. Tell us, oh wise one, where will the money come from?"

Your party just nationalized banks. We now have an endless supply of money comrade.

Posted by officerx on October 15, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We can't even agree that BOTH parties are to blame for our current mess. I hope people will come together before it's too late, but, alas, it is the partisan hyprocracy on both sides that will finally be the ruin of America. Congratulations, ultra liberals and ultra conservatives, you are on the verge of destroying a once great nation. I hope you all are happy.

Posted by robertwp on October 15, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"We can't even agree that BOTH parties are to blame for our current mess."

I only remember one party pushing for more deregulation and less government "interference". I only remember one party pushing the myth that the market would police itself and adjust itself. It is that same party that has had a stranglehold on all branches of government for years. It is the same party that led us down this same road 80 years ago and spent the last 20 years dismantling the safeguards that were put into place to make sure we didn’t end up there again. It was Phil Gramm that created the CDS's on behalf of his lobbyist wife and the banks for which she worked. It was the Republican vice president and his puppet that lied us into a war that has cost us our families and our treasure. It is the Republican administration that has put itself above the law by spitting on the subpoenas that were issued. There isn’t one of these crooks that are man enough to accept even a hint of responsibility or consequences for the criminal acts that this administration has committed against the people of the United States. It is the Republican VP that violated the law but wasn't man enough to take the blame. That blame fell on his underling who had his punishment negated before he had to serve one minute of it or rat out the actual crook.

No, I can't agree with you that both parties are to blame for our current mess because one party isn't willing to accept the fact that the lion's share of that blame falls at their feet. Isn’t it funny how Democrats are blaming the Republicans and the Republicans’ best reply is “Everybody was doing it”? I seem to remember Bush/Cheney in 2000 telling us that “the adults” were returning to Washington. So much for that. The guys running the show are your guys. We are seeing the effects of their policies and their ideas of what government should be. They have exploited your fear to gain control of all branches of government and this is the result. This is their mess. I read these posts on this forum and become more and more convinced that GOP must stand for Gullible Old People. Fortunately most Americans aren’t so easily duped, as we will see in a few weeks.

Vote Democrat!!!

Posted by checkingn on October 15, 2008 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought Walter has a great point, stop the mud slinging!

If you have a McCain/Palin sign in your yard and your neighbor has a Obama/Biden sign in his/her yard, will you honestly stop talking to each other because one of your candidates lost the election? I would hope not! I would never let politics ruin any great friendships I have in this wonderful life.

I decided to voice my opinion with my vote, the first day of early elections, 20 Oct....nuff said :-)

Posted by Beforeuask on October 15, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I drove down south 20th yesterday and Jack Landrums old house has 2 mccain palin signs and 1 Obama sign in the yard. Thats diversity in one household. I wonder which is for who.

Posted by Sandbagger on October 15, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Candidates who might actually make a change never make it to this stage in the voting process. Too controversial. We get stuck with the same options we have every election. People who are afraid to say anything because they don’t want to say the “wrong” thing.

Posted by TexasTwister on October 15, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on, rob....fess up...you're actually Barney Frank, right?

Posted by Gillett on October 15, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey robertwp,
As usual, you've got your brain on backwards. About the "current economic mess" think Dodd, B. Franks, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and ACORN. And the House and Senate Finance committees who had the credit and mortgage beast under their purview. Are you seriously that misinformed?

Posted by curly on October 15, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gillett- you nailed it!!!

Posted by donny on October 15, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Gillet are you so misinformed that you missed the dergulation of McCain/Gramm?

Posted by pcdrs on October 15, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like ole gillet and curly got this morning's right wing talking points. Nothing but a right wing lie. Sounds like that swiftboat ad they keep running about how much money Dodd and Frank took, in fact, it's sounds just like the content of that lying ad. Republicans will lie about anything but mccain and the rnc haven't sailed that swift boat yet because it's an unproveable blatant lie. I believe ole curly feels right at home in the loonie bin section with gillet. By the way gillet, you just proved how seriously uninformed you are.

When pinocchio palin goes back to Alaska to be governor she is gonna find out a lot of people up there have found out a lot about her that they didn't know. She's proven she's a world class liar. Her rocket's running out of fuel but I guess that will count as 15 minutes of fame. Bye bye sarah, we hardly knew ye these couple of months.

Posted by bevans on October 16, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to Mr. Manuel's letter, I would like to say that as a "die-hard Democrat American" (his words), I would think it's blatantly obvious which side of the fence you will fall off on. And, as for Sarah Palin, maybe you should take your dear friend's advice and "put your big boy pants on" and DEAL WITH IT!

Posted by robertwp on October 16, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"And, as for Sarah Palin, maybe you should take your dear friend's advice and "put your big boy pants on" and DEAL WITH IT!"

It was an extremely irresponsible and desperate choice for McCain to make and America understands that. Fortunately it looks like we won't have to "DEAL WITH IT".

Obama ’08!!