Posted by irishman74 on October 10, 2008 at 1:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well well well, welcome to being a democrat. we democrats have been saying that for years while the republicans keep giving big business the breaks while the public suffers. When are the people of Abilene going to see that Jesus would have been a democrat. Jesus wouldnt give tax breaks to the rich, he would use resources to help the average man. To this day I do not understand how the republican party captured the religious crowd. As much as Jesus said about the tax payers would he give you a health program as an offset to paying taxes.... would he implement preemptive war? Would he tell the poor "i dont care if your hungry, why dont you get a job.

Posted by donny on October 10, 2008 at 5:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

On a brighter note when obama gets in at least he will tax them.

Posted by oftunseennotunheard on October 10, 2008 at 6 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yep...you've got it pegged.

When families were losing their homes, nothing was done. Even now, they want to blame people for getting bad loans. But the bankers didn't tell people what that ARM really meant to their house payment when the loan adjusted. Who in their right mind would get a note where the housepayment increased by $1200 when interest rates went up?

And why did Bernanke increase interest rates anyway? Everything was fine under Greenspan.

I can only hope that our gov't realizes that you can't abuse the public, let them flounder, file bankruptcy in droves (all the while making it harder to file), lose their homes, destroy the economy, put good folks out of work, then have the NERVE to expect the economy to stay strong.

Banks & government had better realize without the secure, strong, working middle class this country will disintegrate.

Posted by huckster on October 10, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

there is plenty of blame to go around. the fat cats on wall street should be thrown in jail for some of their actions.

professional politicians on both sides of the aisle should be thrown in jail for their culpability in this fiasco.

and the average person who borrowed more than they could afford should not whine now that their "chickens have come home to roost."

trying to make Jesus into either a democrat or republican shows that you have never met Him. please go back to church - or maybe try a new one.

Posted by hspower2003 on October 10, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's the answer:

14 "if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Or maybe you don't have a prayer?

Posted by conserveABI on October 10, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Irishman, Jesus had every opportunity to push politics. Instead, he pushed love. Including love for rich people. Yes, he warned rich people that it is hard to act right, but he didn't set up a voting booth for Democrats. Clearly.

Posted by Tumbleweed on October 10, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Personal responsibility is the problem. When Joe Sixpack gets paid every Friday and every Friday he doesn't bring lunch because he's out of money, he's one pay check from being homeless.

It is his fault for buying a house he can't or won't be able to afford if such and such happens!

The tax system we use is the culprit. We need a flat tax, say 10% across the board, no mortgage deductions, and no deductions of any kind. Fair is when I make a dollar and pay a dime and Exxon makes 10 billion and pays a billion, that is fair.

Posted by cottonball107 on October 10, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Scott: The hardworking Americans will not have to support their lavish lifestyle because the hardworking Americans will not have any money to support it.. They, including me, will be flat broke..

Posted by JarHead on October 10, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Joe Sixpack was promised by the free market gang and again repeatedly by Shrub to go shopping, buy that house, live the American dream. The marketeers told him not to worry about those adjustable rate mortgages because by the time the rates go up, that new house would appreciate and be worth so much more and wages would be so high that the payments wouldn't be a problem or they could sell the house and make a big profit. Guess who took the money, sold the mortgages to Joe Sixpack's retirement fund and skipped town.

Posted by Tumbleweed on October 10, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jarhead your Joe Sixpack needs to be responsible for his actions or inactions. When he's the victim of a crime that's a different story.

There was a line in a famous movie that went "stupid is what stupid does". So, if the stove is hot and Joe can see it glowing but he's led to believe he won't get burnt and grabs it anyway, he needs to learn to live with the scars.

Posted by hspower2003 on October 10, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

irishman, you haven't done you homework. just go to you-tube and put in Barney Frank, Schumer, Obama and listen to them give the kudos to fannie-freddie. demo's have reaped a harvest on giving the market breaks, and i'm not saying that the repubs haven't given breaks also, but you are seeing just one side.

another thing is that, you can't have these big ceo's taking the money they do, and i emphasize TAKING, STEALING

Posted by Shootstir on October 10, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tumbleweed- I'm laughing here in the office today after reading your post. For once, you and I agree wholeheartedly.

Irishman, I doubt seriously that Jesus would have condoned killing babies for the cause and that of the political left. Nor do I suspect that he would offer free needles to drug offenders. Nor would he hand out condoms in high school and pat kids on the head and say, "Have fun, but be safe." And I seriously doubt that he would mandate same sex marriage, the bible is very clear on that issue as well. So, you tell me- how do you live with the choices you make when you vote for Democrats who consistently support these issues? Republicans are far from perfect, but I think you can easily see why I tend to vote in that direction more often. My conscience demands it.

Posted by huckster on October 10, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the person who got the ARM should have remembered the old axiom - "If something sounds too good to be true, ..."

plenty of blame to go around here. all should be responsible and held accountable for their actions.

Posted by tcat on October 10, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Irishman?...We conservatives wish Republicans had governed with conservatism. There were some tax rate cuts in 2001, but that's about the sum total of the conservative "wish list" that was enacted under George W. Bush.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JarHead, I closed on my house in Feb. '02. When I looked for a house I looked for one I thought I could afford. I went to the bank and applied for a loan for the sale price, and the first thing I told the loan officer was that I wanted a fixed rate. If all I could have gotten was an adjustible rate, I wouldn't have signed the paperwork. If you or any one else chose to accept an ARM and then gamble on the housing market, guess what you lost. Get over it. Accept responsibility for you actions (gambling thousands of dollars on the market) pay up or get out. I have no sympathy for you.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One other thing. Do ya'll really think the banks and mortgage companies wanted to give loans to poor or stupid people? Knowing they would probably default. No they didn't. The democrats forced them to make these loans under the CRA, and groups such as ACORN, Jesse Jackson, etc. threatened to sue for discrimination. If I was in thew banks position, there is no way in hell I would have held onto these mortgages. I would have sold them as fast as possible.

Posted by tcat on October 10, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens. As of right now, it is not known how many of these mortgages have contributed to the subprime mortgage meltdown.

Posted by djr46 on October 10, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bail-out? This amounts to Nationalization of a private Company by our "elected officials". We'll see this even more frequently in the near future. AND I thought they were supposed to be doing OUR business.

IF this mess allows ONE debt ridden person with ANY avenue of escape (FROM their responsibilities) by reducing their mortgage in ANY way, shape, form or fashion, EVERYBODY in US, taxpayers anyway, DESERVE compensation on a level like that the "reverse mortgagers" receive OR there will be a tremendous Stink raised.

We already have to endure the pain of giving OUR money to irresponsible bankers and IF this happens? Last Straw as far as I'm concerned..BUT watch and see what happens....

Posted by mhurt on October 10, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Corporations don't pay taxes. You pay the Corporations for goods and services and they in return charge you just enough to cover their expenses (including taxes) and make a small profit. Increase Corporate taxes and YOU pay more.

Posted by whatif on October 10, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do people consistently only blame the ARM for this fiasco we now have. There are a basket of reasons with the main culprit sitting in the background smiling and staying quiet. Alan Greenspan led the charge by lowering the interest rates to encourage the lenders to bait these people. Then you had the lenders giving low rates to some of you folk to borrow on your equity. Then you had the credit card companies offering low interest only to raise them after people had ran the up and maxed them out. This started happening in 2002 when the housing market went crazy with $200,000 homes going for $400,000. Yes the chickens have come home to roost.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Before any one slams me saying I don't know what I'm talking about, it was predatory lending, listen to Bill Clinton's HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijN-wJ...

Posted by 4th_horseman on October 10, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bretton woods II is likely coming next week, which would explain where all the physical gold has gone in the last few weeks.

The bailout is not as disgusting as the central bank that is its origin, and the stock dealing rank and file citizens that desire the system to stay in place.

From democratic socialists, and marxist i can see why they love and accept the federal reserve bank cartel and keynesian economics. Y'all only care about govt. power and control of everyone else...oh, but wait, thats a republican party ethic now too...sorry.

I am always amazed when constitution carrying, bible thumping Republicans do not oppose the federal reserve. Truly, history will show that the destruction of this republic was rooted in the Central bank, and the GREEDHEADS of all stripes who are not willing to remain chained to the constitution on congress being the issuer of the nations money.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constituti...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pi...

"I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

Posted by donny on October 10, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's funny as heck watching yall play the blame game. The only real point is do you want four more years of the same borrow and spend warmongering politics? Or are you ready for something different?

Posted by itlldo on October 10, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When we bought our house the mortgage company climbed up our butt with a magnifying glass. they wanted PROOF of our income and they wanted the last three yearsof income in a row from my wife and me. We had a $5,000 down payment that they wanted to know where we got it. This is the fault of the lenders!!! You don't lend money to high risk individuals with no payment history. Bad business.

What I would like to know is what is Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac doing giving money to Obama and McCain. Aren't they government finance companies? They gave Obama $126,000 and they gave McCain $26,000. What is going on here?

Posted by 4th_horseman on October 10, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Donny Obama, Nothing Different in store for next 4 years from either candidate, that we can see, or that farrakhans Messiah has to offer. Do you believe in anything but "change" You got any specific Ideology or just jingo?

As you can see from the bulleted list, Hussein is in favor of all the items. Now theres a leopard 4th Reich rising that has a prettier face on the bulleted list. Maybe ten horns.
http://www.weu.int/Delegations.htm

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

except your Kenyan, hasnt got the stones to simply call a spade a spade on what his "change" and your "change" is, no more than he has the stones to show his real birth certificate.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the above comment hatestheramps, but I have to disagree with you and itlldo. Watch the youtube press report Andrew Coumo gave in 1998 that I posted above. He is bragging about a settlement in a lawsuit brought by the Clinton administration on banks for not giving loans to poor credit risks. He actually uses the term "affirmitive action" loans. The banks made 2.1 billion availabe for these "affirmitive action" loans, not because they wanted to, but to settle the lawsuit.

Hates, if a loan officer intentially made bad loans just to get the commision,then a large percentage of those loans defaulted he would not be a loan officer for long.

Posted by g.nicks on October 10, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the government would just stay out of it, the FREE market will right itself. All of these banks who collapsed were bought up by other banks. Now, since that has happened why does the government need to spend a whole bunch of money on these banks, when the situation is just fine?

Posted by itlldo on October 10, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fetus, I don't know about Clinton's banking practice, but I know that 2.1 billion is nothing compared to the 700 billion that we bailed out the banks with. I know that it is a favorite thing to bash Clinton, but in reality the republicans have been in office for 7 years and 9 months and have run this economy into the ground. They could have changed anything that they didn't like.

Will someone answer my question why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac gave money to McCain and Obama?

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Itlldo, I'm not just bashing Clinton and I agree the 2.1 billion doesn't compare to the 700 billion. That does not mean the banks wanted to make these loans. They were forced to by the government.

I wish they hadn't passed that bailout bill and am glad Randy Naugabouer (or however the hell he spells it) voted against it both times it came before the House. President Bush and John McCain did try to do something about the Fannie/Freddie problem several years ago. Yes the Republicans had majority control of both houses of Congress for a while, but they did not have a filibuster proof majority, and the reforms that Bush and McCain tried to get passed never made it out of commitee. Hell, on half of the issues they couldn't get support from Republicans like Olympia Snow, Chuck Hagel, Lindsey Graham, and at times John McCain.

The reason Fannie/Freddie gave money to nearly everyone in Congress was to prevent these reforms.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I need to better explain my thinking when I say the banks were forced to make these loans. This is the way I understand it from what I have read. If wrong, someone please tell me where.

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was passed in 1977 and required banks to loan to low and moderate income borrowers. At the time the requirement allowed banks to use standards that they required on all loans (such as those described by itlldo above). Then we had groups such as Jesse Jackson and ACORN file discrimination suits on behalf of people who could not get, nor repay, loans. The Clinton administration required Fannie/Freddie to back these loans, bundled as securities. The banks were then able to make bad loans (usually with ARM's) and sell the paper to Fannie/Freddie. That put tons of money out there and housing prices skyrocketed. People kept getting more cheap loans to flip houses or took out equity loan after equity loan. The housing market was a bubble and it popped. Prices started to drop, interest rates went up and people that should have never received a loan in the first place couldn't make the payments. No one held a gun to their head when they signed the papers though.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fannie/Freddie were then holding securities that were rated low because they were all sub-prime loans. Fannie/Freddie were then allowed to re-bundle these securities based on risk amongst themselves and rated again in a catagorie by themselves so that they could show sub-prime mortgages rated higher than they should be. This was done to make the books look better and yes, the greedy CEO's bigger bonuses.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3...

It explains it all.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where is everybody? At the mall? Is geng there yet; I want to see that.

Posted by donny on October 10, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fetus no one forced the banks to make these loans. The banks made them then were supposed to resale them to fannie and Freddie. The regulation of this market was deregulated by McCain and the race was on to see who could get the most.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny, please tell me what regulations were deregulated by McCain.

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You said yourself the banks were "supposed to resale them to fannie and Freddie". Who required this. Who set up this huge market for sub-prime loans?

Posted by Festus on October 10, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny, who forced stupid people or poor people to apply for and accept these loans. They had to go looking for one in the first place knowing they wouldn't be able to make the payments. They are just as guilty as the greedy CEO's.

Posted by DB on October 10, 2008 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't see the government bailing my A** out... What's with that?

Posted by 4th_horseman on October 10, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fascism: Socialism with Shareholders
http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/fas...

Question: When Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae needed to be bailed out by the government, the Federal Reserve could have either opened the Discount Window to them or purchased their stock outright. What’s the difference?

Answer: Fascism or socialism

Question: What’s the difference between Halliburton and the Post Office?

Answer: You can buy stock in Halliburton.

Question: What’s the similarity between Halliburton and General Motors?

Answer: At the time of their government bailout, pundits can/will be heard exclaiming, “But we must! They’re too big to fail!”

http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/dev...

Posted by earl on October 10, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been thinking of a solution that we as the employers of the government should offer as a alternative to we the people again overlooking the obvious disdain our employees have for the American working class and country as a whole .
Instead of giving 700 billion dollars to bail out the rich crooks who have abused the privalege of working in behalf of we the people again !
I would demand that each and every AMERICAN citizen be given 10 million dollars each,which would come to 3 billion before taxes ,i can vote for that and we would not have to hock our kids kids and the economy would get stimulated and parents would go to the mall with their kids !
thats a twofer !

Posted by cokelly30 on October 11, 2008 at 3:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ATTN: Republicans only care about the super rich. Its easy to convince the uneducated otherwise.! simply by quoting some religious CRAP.

Posted by dr__dawggy on October 11, 2008 at 5:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Festus asked: please tell me what regulations were deregulated by McCain.
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A fair question. Here is one answer....

The Architect of McCain's economic policy is former Senator Phil Gramm. Gramm is a champion of deregulation and author of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and numerous other bills, which effectively removed virtually all post depression controls on how banks invested their money. This deregulation allowed banks to buy up bundles of risky Mortgagae backed securities using borrowed money....leverage.

McCain is not directly responsible for the actions of Gramm, but he certainly preaches Gramm's message of deregulation and Gramm figures to play a prominent role in a McCain administration.

Posted by dr__dawggy on October 11, 2008 at 5:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Will someone answer my question why Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac gave money to McCain and Obama?
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To buy the influence of both candidate of course.
Why do you think both McCain and Obama supported the 750 billion dollar bailout of Fannie and Freddie , even before the extra 150 billion was tacked on to bailout loggers in Oregon who have run out of trees to chop down and makers of wooden arrows.

Lobbyists and the money they funnel to office holders have corrupted our political system.

Posted by Beforeuask on October 11, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The biggest problem i see in all this is the fact that the only one that was supposed to be holding these mortgages in the beginning was Freddie and Fannie.
Fannie and Freddie were the basic federal Garrantor of these notes.
Then deregulation. Then Hedge funds and other insurance companies started holding, insuring and trading these mortgages. Warren Buffet saw this in it's self as disasterous, and ordered Hathaway groups to stay out of it.
As the shear volume of new credit entered the market through shadowy or shady lending practices of banks and mortgage companies every one wanted a piece of it.
As notes began to fail, and property was depreciated, noone was sure who insured what for whom the system started to collapse.
A lot of hedge funds sold out and took their money off shore. The large institutions had no choice but to swap liabilities. Finally in the end the small filthy rich guys made off with the new money, and we're stuck with the bill.

Posted by mitchellmarketing on October 11, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

let the ceo that make all the big bucks, drowned in debt like thy let there worker, when sales go down instead of cutting there pay. thy cut there workers pay where you dont have enough money to pay everything and ether have to get 2 to 3 extra jobs just to make it. while thy ride in there lemo. bailout where is it for the american working person?

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for answering my question dr_dawggy. It was pretty much what I suspected. There are none. But since you want to bring up associates of John McCain, allow me to list a few of Barack Obama's: Jeremiah Wright, Michael Phleger, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Tony Rezko, Louis Farrakhan, his cousin Raila Odinga, his Hamas and Hezbollah supporting Muslim outreach director Mahdi Bray, ACORN, The New Party, and many more. Do you want to keep playing this game dawggy?

Posted by Yahdah on October 11, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Our Congressman, Randy Neugebauer stood strong both times and voted against the Bailout. Yea Randy !!
Our two Senators, Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn voted unconstitutionally for the Bailout. BOOoooo !!!!
Remember this when you vote, come November.
Also know that there are more than two people running for President. The media doesn't want you to know this.

Posted by dr__dawggy on October 11, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was not aware we were playing a game, Festus. The only game playing I see is the games politicians play. I am not aware of a single policy any of the folks you mention wrote for Obama. Maybe you could correct my error.

Meanwhile, I stand by my earlier post. McCain preaches the gospel of deregulation and his adviser Gramm wrote the book.

Posted by gabbygirl on October 11, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They should have bailed out the homeowners that were loosing their homes[thanks to the banks] this is ridiculous! All the good ole boys have to stay together. Can't wait to see the movie by Oliver Stone W...........

Posted by huckster on October 11, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah, we all know how accurate oliver stone always is.

folks who borrowed more than they could afford don't deserve to have me pay their mortgage along with mine. the banks who made bad loans don't deserve to have me bail them out.

and the politicians ... what a bunch of losers. randy held the line, and i'm proud of him.

i emailed both cornyn and kay bailey and asked them to vote NO on the bailout. they ignored this constituent. so i emailed them again and told them that i will never vote for either one again. i hope others do likewise.

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok dr_dawggy, here's two more names for you. Both of them advisers to Obama. Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson. Both of these guys were CEO's of Fannie Mae. Jim Johnson was responsible for Obama's VP search until his millions in below market loans from Countrywide Financial came up. Franklin Raines made 90 million in six years at Fannie Mae and has stated that Obama has asked for his advice during this campain. These are the people setting Obama's economic policy. The same greedy CEO's that your side claims is responsible for the meltdown.

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tony Rezko is talking in Chicago. He's telling all to one Patrick J. Fitzgerald. This is the same prosecuter that the democrats were hoping to perpwalk Karl Rove and Richard Cheney but wound up with only a perjury charge against Scooter Libby. I have a feeling Fitzgerald is going to be accused of being a racist pretty soon. One other name I'm pretty sure you're going to here in the near future is not a name of a person but a federal crime: RICO.

Posted by donny on October 11, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Old vetted news but you have to keep trying huh festus.
Obama is still climbing in the polls. What a deal.

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I did not type "Richard". Mr. Cromeens, if someone did that to you, you would be screaming about your first ammendment rights.

We now have it on record that the ARN edits comments without admission. If they will edit something as simple as someones name what else will they edit?

ARN, you're a pathetic joke.

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah you're right donny. "Vetted news" for sure. The media, including our old buddy Barton Cromeens, are just soiling themselves trying to vet news about Obama.

Posted by donny on October 11, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Go drink some more koolaid festus. You're just beating a dead horse. I bet you're gonna watch it all again and hannities america tomorrow at 9.

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Bart, do we need to refer to Obama as Barack Howard Obama now? Or will you just change that for us?
I'm sure if you get on here you'll say something about automated something something B.S. but please do explain yourself.

Posted by Festus on October 11, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right donny. The democratic party is a dead horse. They keep raising their ugly head, causing trouble such as we're now in, and you need to beat it down harder each time. Duck!

Posted by donny on October 11, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns--including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

For those who are unaware, Liddy helped plan the Watergate break-in that would cost Nixon his presidency and landed Liddy a four-year jail sentence.

But Liddy's career of inflammatory statements and actions exceed his Watergate actions.

Liddy, on Vitenam:

"I wanted to bomb the Red River dykes [sic]. It would have drowned half the country and starved the other half. There would have been no way the Viet Cong could have operated if we had the will-power to do that."
Liddy, advising Branch Davidians how to defend themselves from ATF agents during a radio show:

"If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."
Liddy, on the impact Adolf Hitler had on him as a child:

When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05...

Posted by letsroll on October 11, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny, your true colors are showing when you reference your acclaimed knowledge back to the huffington post.

Posted by donny on October 11, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Laugh even if it's true, as it is, you just flat will not acknowledge it.
Liddy is every much the terrorist Bill Ayres is.
Oh wait Liddy was convicted and went to prison. So he is more the terrorist.

Posted by earl on October 12, 2008 at 2:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nod Donny i must agree with you on liddy .
i recently called his show two months ago and questioned him about his untruths on the finacial system and where it was headed ,i also commented on the fiat monetary system we now use and have for sometime and suggested a 10 million dollar stimulus for each and every AMERICAN citizen , while i was waiting to talk to this B#%$@*d , i heard him assure someone that obama could not cause any real threat to our country because of congress and the senate ! To say the least he was not happy with my stimulus idea for the AMERICAN people and thought we were not responsible enough to deal with wealth and i also corrected him on the fact that not only obama but any commander in chief could stop congress and the senate from intervening with them and he commented," oh really and just how can they do that ?" I stated MARTIAL LAW !! and he hung-up on me . We have to stand as we the people again as allways in crisis we have , we must include the younger generations and open their eyes to what they can do to stop this wholesale destruction of our economy and country,
let's give Patriatism a real try and stop these political mafisos from enslaving the ideals of this nation before we are nomore ! I say do not vote them out but throw them out with nothing but a minimum wage job at an airport .

Posted by donny on October 12, 2008 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can not see how a person of liddy's carecture can be a conservative pundit. This criminal is a spokesperperson for republicans and a personal friend McCain. Why hasn't the mainstream media picked this up and ran with it. Oh yea Obama, unlike McCain wants to argue the issues.

Posted by dr__dawggy on October 12, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I suggest you check your facts Festus. The information you posted about Obama's alleged economic advisers has been throughly discredited.

Obama is certainly not an ideal candidate and has many shortcomings. That Fannie Mae execs serve as his economic advisers is not among them.

Posted by Festus on October 12, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To equate what G. Gordon Liddy did to what Bill Ayers did is stupid. Liddy's actions were on the same level as what ACORN is doing now under Obama's direction. I hope eventually Obama spends as much time in prison as Liddy did. Bill Ayers tried and did actually kill people and your side has embraced him. That is why he is a "respected" member of society in Chicago.

Dr._dawggy, those two are indeed advisers to Obama. To discredit something one would have to have a bit of creditability themselves. The main stream meadia have none.

Posted by dr__dawggy on October 12, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yup, better to believe bloggers, anonymous mass emails and Hannity when looking for credibility...
who needs evidence?

Posted by dr__dawggy on October 12, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the less ideologically challenged out there who are interested in fact rather than internet email fiction

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck...

Posted by wild_bill on October 12, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know I really think the grassroots up economic policy would cure more than the current trickle down idea, and be cheaper to boot. If I had a million dollars or ten million dollars I'd pay off all my bills, credit cards, loans etc. I might buy new vehicles or a new house or all kind of things. At 35% tax rate the government would get a good bit of money directly back.

I really don't see the down side to giving the money to the people instead of the banks. Can someone tell me WHY it would not be a good idea?

Posted by reaganite on October 12, 2008 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wild_bill

" At 35% tax rate the government would get a good bit of money directly back."

That's the problem, it's not the government's money, it's yours.

The government is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

Posted by donny on October 12, 2008 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reaganite it's no ones money. Bush just prints it spends it and borrowes it. Why can they not give us 10 mil each.

Posted by reaganite on October 12, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny
Please, put down the bong.

Posted by donny on October 12, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reaganite never touch the stuff. Try looking at REALITY.

Posted by earl on October 12, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Wild_Bill,Donny and reaganite ,
Our government has already borrowed enough money on the war in iraq to give every human on the planet 1 billion dollars each and still have change .
so my wonder is who and where is all this money going to? I know it is only electronic cash at most and as for weapons of mass destruction if I remember correctly argeintina has had the technology and ability for nuclear weapons since the 50's but i guess due to their lack of oil ,the government does not deem their missle capabilities as a threat to our national security ? The feeding frenzy of the government and wall street is like a bunch of pirana .
by stopping the bailout bill and starting the stimulate the people first bill by giving us 10 million each you also save in health care, welfare do away with the need for credit,pay off the defunct mortages individually , no more homless, if an AMERICAN is under 18 their 10 million is put in government bonds with the interest as an allowance until they reach 18 then it is theirs . The Wall street gang can pay for their pedicures and lawyers and bailout the mess they created themselves not us.

Posted by donny on October 12, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with ya Earl lets tell bush to write the checks.

Posted by earl on October 12, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh guys i almost forgot you could help with this ,i am already contacting government officals and presenting this proposal i have just e-mailed Randy N asking for his input and help in bringing this concept to fruitation .I could really use all the wisdom of the people to make this happen !
thanks

Posted by earl on October 12, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm thinking that our government put the money in our checking accounts direct deposit !! of course will have to open several more accounts lol. I think we need petions and e-mails demanding our represented officials move on this and vote out all who stall are won't
what say ye ?

Posted by reaganite on October 12, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

earl
"Our government has already borrowed enough money on the war in iraq to give every human on the planet 1 billion dollars each and still have change ."
So, with 6,600,000,000 people in the world, we have borrowed $660000000000000000? Is that what you are claiming?

Wow, your brain on drugs...

Posted by donny on October 12, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reaganite back off he was being a litle flighty with the numbers you know what he means.
Earl you need to email Barney Franks the head of the banking committee.

Posted by reaganite on October 12, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"reaganite back off"

Coming from another stoner....

Posted by earl on October 12, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks Donny and reaganite i apoligize for the numbers if they are incorrect the amount of zeros is a bit long,there are 6.2 billion people on the planet and i thought we have already spent 600billion on the war in iraq,excuse my math and thanks for the correction,as to drugs i am afraid i passed my last drug test ,i wish i could say the same for my math,lol
but see already we are on the path to getting something done together as AMERICANS should ! thanks guys

Posted by earl on October 12, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reganite,
i must be misunderstanding your equation for the quintillion number you have listed.
what i did was subtract 6.2 billion from 600 billion and the change equaled 593.8 billion .
but we could subtract the population of the world 6.6 billion people from the 700 billion bailout package ,before the other pork barrel billions are added 700 - 6.6 = 693.4 ,maybe i better go take another drug test , i know i can pass that !
thanks again for the negative input it helps to keep the positive input in perspective ! lol

Posted by donny on October 13, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

reaganite why do people that do not agree with you have to be stoners, or incompetant?
I am as perfect as you think you are. You just need to go lay back down get through your nap and dream some more about an Obama presidentcy.

Posted by Reagan_Bush08 on October 13, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by donny on October 13, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

reaganite why do people that do not agree with you have to be stoners, or incompetant?
I am as perfect as you think you are. You just need to go lay back down get through your nap and dream some more about an Obama presidentcy.

Donny - reaganite has mastered the art of correct spelling and complete sentences. Your claim is another liberal lie........liberals are good at that. You lie and believe it as truth. We are in for the longest 4 years our country has ever seen if Obama wins.

Posted by donny on October 13, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry reagan_Bushwacko i do need to correct you.
When Obama wins.

Posted by maggiedog on October 13, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Democrats never have been much for accountability. The carpet bagging Clintons pondes on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to grant loans to people who weren't worthy of them and then BAM ! MORTAGAGE MELTDOWN ! I don't say that the Republicans are completely blameless in this deal, but let's be frank, there is enough blame to go around. I don't believe that the government should be bailing out every shaky company or industry either, but I hate to say it, more regulation needs to happen. You can thank the Clintons for this.

Posted by Reagan_Bush08 on October 13, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny, let's go to Germany! I hear Obama is a hit over there.

Posted by curly on October 13, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny-I just know the Democratic party is proud of you, you tend to ramble their platform as well as anyone! Just got back from the courthouse and there was a line a mile long---everyone named DONNY was trying to change their name so not to be identified with the poster donny.

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reaganight_bushd08 please excuse my spelling ,i promise it was intentional ! I guess the time it took U 2 master the art of spelling and complete sentences is the point of your shortfalls in etiquette , which far outweigh sentencing structure and spelling! I mean come on you dileberatly left the commas out of your matmatical answer to imply what ?
I admit i deliberatly mis-equated the 600 billion to the 6.2 billion to incite you to advise and stand up to the plate ,toe the line and any other quirky quote we can all use !
Oh ,like ronnie and the jelly-bean stalk ,or the one let him without sin cast the first stone ! Your issue about everyone being on drugs really does sound like a guilty dog barking first ,or finger pointing to keep from being discovered but i am not implying judgement of you , i just think in the battle of the wits you must be lacking in ammunition . i had hoped you could be American enough to set aside your blatantly obvious pregidous attitude and as a nation of we the people , unite as one and help get our nation back on the track our forefathers intended !It is not about republican,democrat,liberal,ect...!
It is about the Great Nation of We the People of this UNITED STATES of AMERICA united we stand divided they win !
Enough on this nana B.S. ! I am starting petitions to send to our representatives and could sorely use the help of all people , so either U is or U ain't !
that is the question i would like answered and please pardon my undue behavior , there is 2 much 2 do and i missed my nap time !
reply as you will , may GOD direct you!

Posted by Reagan_Bush08 on October 13, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

earl, quit smoking crack is my first suggestion. My second suggestion is choose wisely who you think you're smarter than on these threads. Your rant sounded baseless, desperate, and very angry. You should probably seek out some anger management program also. If that doesn't work you could always take up a much less stressful hobby than picking fights with people you don't know on the internet. Start there and after you conquer the first couple you can come back and ask me for more. Your comment about my "shortfalls in etiquette" are unfounded as you have no clue the "shortfalls in etiquette" that have come my way from your brilliant brain busting friend we all know and love donny. Keep your piehole shut in situations where you don't belong and your time here will be much better. Have a drink already.....

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow you thought of that all by yourself ?
Budroe ,I was a Driller in the Giddings oil-boom, a biker ,bounty hunter and am as mean in person as you ever want to get ,but then a ceo coming from a after shafting party came into my lane and ran over me on my chopper head-on ,i died and went and met Jesus and yes he changed my life forever but he told me i had to come back here because i had not done what i said i would do ! i preached the word in biker bars ,i stand on the word of Christ and yes i am not your friend nor doubt that i would ever choose to be as a matter of fact my name is earl what is your real name ? or are you more of the internet closet puk that is tough only thru distance? I choose to be non-violent but I do know how to be ! Your dazzling retoric would impress me more to my face ,man to whatever you are ,eye to eye ,and still i would want your help in stopping the raping of this great nation
I do not have the finacial dilemas of credit cards mortgage,ect.. and when the time comes i can survive just fine in the wilderness ,i am a Geological consultant and am drug and drink free ! so again do you want to help make change in the direction of this country or knot ?
as for pie-hole that is a quaint one i have not heard in eons,thanks for the laugh. but answer the friggin question and enough of your ranting did you sell someone named earl crack and think it was me ? I guess this forum is for only who you choose and of course you have to love me too ! Now that is AMERICAN ! seig heil herr commadant please check my spelling .

Posted by Beforeuask on October 13, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Earl;
Raygun_Bush and reaganite are not going to argue any issues except the party pundit lines.
They are quite ready to call name and say you're a doper. They have no direction in life other to demean others in hopes that they will look better.
Sad situation when they hide behind a screenname and call others names. Absolutly childish.

Posted by reaganite on October 13, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beforeuask
"Sad situation when they hide behind a screenname and call others names. Absolutly childish."

hypocrite:
Hyp"o*crite\, n. [F., fr. L. hypocrita, Gr. ? one who plays a part on the stage, a dissembler, feigner. See Hypocrisy.] One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and better than he is; a false pretender to virtue or piety; one who simulates virtue or piety.

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks Beforeyouask and that is a shame ,but hey can you help by encouraging people to e-mail their representatives about giving ten million each to all AMERICANS instead of Banks and Wall street ? Who knows maybe you know who will see the light and realize the potential for stimulus it really carries ! Hey Donny can you help and curly and well every AMERICAN lets flood them with e-mails with our demands as the employers of the 545 people who are fixing to run our ship aground , contact other news outlets , contact ford,chevy,gm they will like the fact that 300 million people could pay cash for a vehicle .
c'mon let's stand undividable with this !
again it is not about party it is about US .
I really thank everyone and hope we can make this happen !

Posted by huckster on October 13, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

earl,
your tin-foil hat has fallen off. please adjust it. the voices in your head are so loud that i'm starting to hear them.

now, back on topic for the sane among us. this bailout is nothing but pure socialism. be careful what you ask for, america, you just might get it.

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh huckster you, sane is only the opinion of a majority ,but thanks for the compliment i stand in company with some pretty famous people who where accused of being insane ! don't think i am not aware of who you and your cronies are the art of war is old news and i am sure the government pays ya'll we'll to disrupt and rebuke all attempts to usurp their grand plan for US the people , the funny thing will be when they nolonger need or want you and you realize that your cowardice for cash,not sacrifice for the unity has earned you the worst of all !AMEN!lol

Posted by reaganite on October 13, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

earl
Would you please restate that in English?

I suggest putting the bong down for at least 60 minutes before you try again.

earl is a perfect example of the far left. Drugged out of their minds and demanding a handout.

Posted by Festus on October 13, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Earl, I appreciate you telling your story and respect you for it. I don't know your political leanings, I'm a working class conservative, but from your description of yourself you sound like an honorable man and I wouldn't have a problem with having you as a friend. I have to disagree with you on your solution though. I do not agree with the bailout that was passed. Fannie/Freddie and all the others should have been allowed to fail. The Federal Reserve is just printing this 700 billion so inflation is going to skyrocket. If you are going to need boots, jeans or anything else you know you will need to buy next year I would suggest buying them now if you can. If you gave everyone ten million I don't think it would be long before we're paying $250 for a loaf of bread. The US dollar would be meaningless.

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

hey to everybody but the reganitis under a bush
maybe these puks are really hal from the 2001 space outessy now this makes it easier to understand their repetitive retoric crap , see it is an if then else program ! simply put if you say this then the computer (hal) says that or else ! LOL ! LOL ! LOL!
I think they might have a hooka too that explains the bong , bong, bong man this sucks and it does nothing to help us help our nation.
Thats how it starts

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Festus i agree and it will take some real serious management to just be in a recession not an all out Depression, we will have to develop our local communities and depend more on local products and services in house and the barter system will help ,city to city trade , basicaly festus we have to unlearn modern society and return to the days when money was something rarely needed and hardly used . Sir I thank you most whole heartly for your insight it is a most pleasant respite from the reagonersbush propaganda . Festus ,i already have a generater,cloth, hand tools small piece of land and no debt, if we can not pay cash then we don't get it ! I know how to hunt and trap ,skin and tan hides,I can make flint knifes , arrow tips , but i have found so many i can just use them ,I can make my own fuel .May GOD bless you and we meet up when the times that are coming come, you will and yours will always be welcome at our fire !

Posted by Festus on October 13, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I uh, umm, uh, I think I might need to take back parts of my last comment. Earl you might really want to lay off the hard stuff.

Posted by earl on October 13, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

festus if we repeal the bailout law and inact the people stimulus Bill then they only print 30 billion more instead of 700 billion and the 10 million per person will take billions off of public housing , welfare ,medicare, medicade,and all government assistance thus lifting a heck of a load off the system immediatly .
It is still rough around the edges , my mother called all freaked out that people on the news channels where saying what i told her two years ago is happining now , i know where some cheap land by water is festus taxes are 11.00 a year next payday i will get an extra one , give a holler
You know people used to always say "you all right?" and i would reply" a little left,it keeps me balanced" if i was all right i would fall over !

Posted by Festus on October 13, 2008 at 11:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This bailout bill will not be repealed. Each step towards socialism is a step that cannot be taken back. Once you get people accustomed to receiving unearned handouts they will not want to give them up and will do nothing to support themselves or contribute to helping others.

Earl, if you want to live as if it was 1850 help yourself. I don't. If you want to live in a socialist country? Help yourself, there's plenty out there. Everywhere socialism has been tried it has failed and there is a reason their markets tanked when ours did. They didn't beleive in their own system. They based theirs on our capitalist style markets because they knew it was better than thier own.As I said before, there are plenty of other socialist countries out there. This country is the last chance we have for a life of not only true rights and freedoms, but personal responsibility and accountability. If you want socialism, you have somewhere else to go. I don't and will fight to keep my life as it is here.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 12:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Festus it is not a hand out it is a hand up , I do not want to live as if it is 1850 but i have to look at the bottom line which is i may not have a real choice in the matter . You know Jesus said to commune in all things equally ,if you had two coats give one to someone who had none, if you had two pair of shoes give one to someone with none because you can only wear one pair or one coat , our capalitistic view has been the one with the most toys wins ,care for the widows and orphans and love GOD with all your heart, your mind,and your soul.
Feastus i hope you do not live in a major city because soon you will be fighting to stay, not only the government , but the masses of people who can no longer afford the cost of living and will come in herds and just start taking it will happen at the wa-marts and k-marts stores at first then it will be blocks of houses at a time , places of employment, then martial law and the confiscation of weapons then the starving masses from honduras,mexico,and south america will come in masses like locust . be prepared for all that is coming because it is coming !

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 12:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i have a friend who is a prison guard and she has been their for over 12 years and she said it is getting really bad and nobody cares especialy the inmates . I asked her what the latest unaccounted weapons count was and she said please don't even go there . she is really worried but with time invested she hopes to make early retirment ,not even go for full retirement!

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 12:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

capitalism teaches individualism, socialism teaches unity . That is a strange fact and no this is the country i am born of and here i will stay ,i just want equality equally for all ,this i have yet to see but hear all the time !

Posted by luna on October 14, 2008 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

irishman74, I know exactly how the Republican Party captured the 'religious' crowd. What Jesus would do and what the 'religious' would do are, in many instances, worlds apart. The world is full of religions, including what is masquerading in America today as Christianity. Jesus came with another way. He was appalled by the 'religious' of his day, and I believe he would be equally appalled by the 'religious' of today.

Posted by Reagan_Bush08 on October 14, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Earl all I can say is wow. Are you alright? The tin foil hat was right on.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

no the tin hat would be the tin man !
I am the straw-man ,because you have to be without a brain to understand the ignorance of your comments !It is not about an individual,it is about the nation , the crisis ! go to Brady,tx and Lowake ,Tx ,they have a good steak house in Lowake,but on the way check out all the high fences , put up by the rich and check out the security cameras,they point down the fence at each other to what? i am sure you will have a nice retort for that one,oh and go down the river by Ballinger,tx ,you will love that one because their is a electric wire across the river and men will greet you with guns and explain that you are on their river,please just agree and turn back,hey maybe the shock from the wire fried my brain ! mystery solved now i don't need to see the wizard ! hurah!

Posted by bennett236 on October 14, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have the solution!!!! When you go to the polls, If they allow write in votes, Write in Hillery Clinton. Bill got us out of debt before and he can tell Hillery how to do it again!!!

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

do you not see the programming you had as a child ? now you be social , lets go socialize,the society of ______ all of these imply socialism, and these socialist nations that followed are stock trading ethics did not fall because of their beliefs but ours because we are the world ranger who always bails the world out , if you think the U.S.S.R. is really gone, read the art of war , which is one of the reasons we use more foreign oil, is to deplete their resources first . You are aware of the Russian bomber in venezuala ? The base might show up on google earth . The stimulus proposal for the people ,Festus it does away with all the hand out systems that are currently in action !
It also bails out these mortgage home loans fanfred ,but it will not happen because the real power whatever wants a one world order and a one world currency ! We are the most powerful nation in the world no one can stand up to our military
so they go after our economy that is how they can hurt us ! President Bush senior and bin ladens father have been business partners for over 30 years and we can't find osama ? Did you ever read the wanted poster on bin laden at the post office ? I did before they took it down ,it stated that a warrent for his arrest had been issued in 1988 for the 1998 bombing of the kenya embassey ,how pshychic is that ?
when i pointed this out at some post offices and ask how to obtain a poster , they did not know and now the wanted poster is gone !
but the stock market is flying high and people are fast forgeting the moments of panic and like you said next year buying things will be hard ! when i lived in austin i was in a co-op and as a co-op we got food at the same prices the re-tail grocers did the differance of cost was amazing and then every sunday the co-op would gather at a park to socialize(oops)and play volley ball crochet ect.. , of course the married women would be fixin the meal and match makin the singles and the kids where hangin out bein kids.
We played guitars and discussed issues of the time and i was totally unused to this coming from abilene ,i was a ruff and gruff ruffneck but they helped me see a different place and way,but if i had not been social and just spent my 2300.00 per week bring home ,and capitalized on my own , i would still be under the tremendous strain that most middle to upper class must be and there are alternatives ,and solutions but ya'll are kept so busy juggling your income against outgoing that it has become almost to much and the ones offering help and a way out ,meant for them not you !
so lets demand stimulation for the people of our nation not the perpretraitors of wall street and the federal unreserved bunk .
i must go the tin man is squeaking somethin about oil ,my straw is blowin loose from all the hot air and oh! no! humpty-dumpty just fell off the wall , wait... ,there is a shadowy figure slinking from the back of the wall ,it looks ,it is the regainknotsofbush8us !

Posted by Reagan_Bush08 on October 14, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought people stopped using LSD in the 80's?

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nah lsd is still available and plentyful. If you can not see the irony in Earl's [post then i can see why you will vote republican.
You sic crazy people cry about being conservative when your borrow and spend presidents, reagan bush and bushwaco have sent us so far in debt the dollar is useless.
I can not see how yall are still crying for mccain. Are you blind or have you absolutly no comprehension skills at all.

Posted by Reagan_Bush08 on October 14, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For your sake donny, I will side with the no comprehension skills at all. Have you seen my baseball?

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not today.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

regan_bush08 i am nolonger buying any drugs from you like your politics they are bunk !
if this baseball that crashed thru my window is yours you have soom real explaining to do mister cuz i am renting from mother goose ! and that crap don't fly with her either !
hey Donny on a good note i have recieved some questions and thoughts from my e-mails and am continuing to e-mail others , please could you help ?

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How? Be happy to.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

e-mail this column site to our representatives and let them get a laugh look and maybe a thought ,i have contacted glenn beck ,ford motor company ,general motors, Randy nuegabeger ,not sure of spelling , i have contacted my representative and everyone in my family which is pretty diverse to say the least and let's just keep her rollin Brother !
thank you for your moment,
earl

Posted by wild_bill on October 14, 2008 at 5:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have yet to hear any REAL problems mentioned with the "grassroot" stimulus idea earl suggested. We've tried the "trickle down" since Reagan and I can't tell anything has "trickled down" except my IRA.

Maybe it's time we tried a REAL stimulus. Give the money (printed up, electronic, whatever) to the people who produced it to start with. The bottom up stimulus would be way cheaper than anything Congress has yet suggested. That nonsensical $600 each earlier this year did very little. It didn't even buy us a new refrigerator when the old one quit. $20 million (for a couple before taxes) would fix a bunch of things around my house. Might even have money left over to invest. Sure don't have anything now.

The only negative I can see is "who would do the minimum wage jobs?" afterwards. earl, would your prison guard friend continue to work in the prisons if she got $10 million (before taxes)?

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"i thought people stopped using lsd in the 80's"
Hal it's dave reset your default program on the 80s . hal? yes Dave

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wild_bill ,
Thank you brother i have been waiting for that exact question ! i have been waiting and the answer is NO, but instead of 12 hrs. per day she would work 6-8 hrs per day 3 days per week for no pay , we all will have already been paid ,the whole system will be changed until our generation that did not recieve the stimulus package reaches the workforce and by then the system should have corrected its cash flow and minimum wage should be around 10.00 dollars per hour , we also can and should bus in people from other countries under strict guidelines and pay them well for their works and bus them back and forth as needed doing away with the coyotes ,these questions are what needs to be addressed Wild_Bill and it will take contributional thought on the how to from all of us,great input !
thanks Brother

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

also instead of the trickle effect we will cause a ripple effect that will ripple to all world economies !

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wild_bill also forget the taxes take the whole twenty million invest what would equal taxation into t-bills or other government funds, direct deposit from the gov to the banks and so on and so on !

Posted by donny on October 14, 2008 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

earl have a beer on me you win.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny kool i am known to drink an o'dooles now and then !

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

donny I have to ask you what do you like most to do and what would you want to do for three 6 hr. days per week ?
I have one friend who's father has a museum dedicated to him and provided for my friend when he passed and still my friend works on metal buildings and loves driving a semi-rig ! He does not have to work he chooses to !

Posted by Beforeuask on October 14, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Driving and working on any kind of equiptment is my joy. I don't care how big or small i have worked on about everything. I just can't stand long anymore so i go help out where i can.

Posted by Festus on October 14, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow Earl. I never really thought there could be a place where all humanity could live as one but reading your words of wisdom I now understand that I was wrong. You're really deep and insightful. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. If you don't have one yet I would encourage you to start one. You could use the Democrat logo on it and send it out unsolicited. That way, people that need your guidance and leadership but don't know it yet could still reap the benefits of your wisdom and eventually see the light.

Keep up the good work, Brother.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

festus what a great thought see there we are again putting are heads together ,but hey why not use both logos ?
That way it would be half a#* rememorable ?
thank U for coming thru
Brother festus

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

beforeuask
me too that is what i love about the patch the heavy equipment and moving from one location to another going 15-16,000' in the earth and seein earth no human has ever touched and the challenges of keepin it turnin to the right !
now i watch the youngsters and remember when i first got in the patch !
know the feelin 'bout not standin to long reminds me of Mickey Mantle sayin if i'd known i was gonna live this long i would have taken better care of myself !lol

Posted by Festus on October 14, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellent idea earl. How about an elephant head with the kicking hind end of a donkey merged together to show bi-partanship?

Posted by Festus on October 14, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bi-partanship, bi-partinship, however you spell it earl knows what I'm talking about. earl really gets it and should express himself on behalf of all denocrats. He has a firm grasp on the democrat platform.

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow festus you were'nt the mayor of abilene at onetime were you?
i wrote a letter to the editor called to bull-headed and how he got my unlisted number i never knew but he thought i should run for mayor along with several republicans and demos,we will have to work more on the logo idea and i know i can count on you to co-author and censor ?
see and the government thinks we are 2 childish to play in the political arena !
just pay taxation upps attention

Posted by earl on October 14, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

festus dempuplicans or repucrats ?
i don't know your the co-author U choose .
We may catch flac from the liberals though !

Posted by earl on October 15, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)

festus maybe ,work with me now a big ,big,really big mirror with now ,imagine this close your eyes and picture it RU there yet ? now see the picture a donkey looking , stay with me now ,into the mirror no peeking keep those eyes wide open is an elephant and he is mimicing every move the donkey is ! cool huh ? what'cha think 2 logo R nogo that is the question !
wow this is fun we went from trying to fiqure a way out of this bail out to starting our own political party pamphlet how totally AMERICAN man United we fall,Divided we fall ashes, ashes we all fall down and you call yourself festus,
brutus sounds more appropiate

Posted by whatif on October 15, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

earl,I wish you would stop with the deliberate misspelling and the hick lingo, some of us know you are only poking fun at a few. Even though your idea is outlandish and would never be considered you come across as someone who is more educated than your postings show. The idea of bailing out the multi-Billion dollar Corporations leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth, it is better than a total melt down of the world economy. If you haven't felt or been touched by the squeeze, you will soon enough unless you just happen to have a few thousands of dollars lying around.

Posted by earl on October 15, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whatif i from and with all my heart apologize to everyone and please believe me when i say i only tried to bring humor to a very serious situation,my solution is however plausible and i continue to push it to the government . I am prepared and am almost debt free with some silver and gold,plus the basic essentials to hang on. When the chad thing started with Mr. Al Gore , i said then who would win and the consequences of the winner being in power,there are some in abilene that know this ,but if they have not told you then they probly will not ! I started then preparing but some major surgery slowed me up , I am prepared and have been for sometime ! I will not reveal to you what is coming ,not out of spite or ill-temperament for this is not in me ,i am just tired and see the pointlessnous of it . The one most important thing for everyone is faith,charity and hope !
Jesus is my light and GOD is our saviour ,again i do apologize and hope you all the best of times and that you all prosper and i am wrong this i pray nightly ! amen

Posted by 4th_horseman on October 15, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

/*Posted by donny on October 14,
/* 2008 at 2:53 p.m.
"You sic crazy people cry about being conservative when your borrow and spend presidents, reagan bush and bushwaco have sent us so far in debt the dollar is useless."

Comrade Donny, we "conservatives" voted for Ron Paul, or Hucka whats his name from the CFR, those of us "conservatives" left, will vote for Chuck Baldwin....

Comrade Donny, how ~bout Ron Pauls End The federal Reserve Bill?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill....

Death to the Keynesian Economy and Death to the New world odor.

Comrade Donny, How bout helping support Chuck Baldwin For President?
http://www.baldwin08.com/

Comrade Donny, How bout Jerome Corsi completely discrediting Marxisms Messiah, over there on worldnet Daily?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.ph...

Is that amazing or what? And you point the finger (rightly so) at Herr George "Weimar Republic".Boosh..but whatcha think, maybe RICO charges on The kenyan?

Posted by 4th_horseman on October 15, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Earl, some of these will wake up when the kelly is down, and some will simply drill bushings until the tool pusher wakes them up. Keep it turnin' to the right.

Posted by wild_bill on October 15, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

whatif, we've TRIED the top-down strategiy and it only works for the corporations and fat cats. The folks on the bottom and in the middle just keep getting screwed tighter and tighter to the wall. Why not FOR ONCE trying giving just 1/100th of the amount they give to the corporations to the people? How much worse off will we be? Anyone? Whether it's $3 billion or $30 billion, it's still miles cheaper than $250 or $700 billion and the money would get to the people who need it and would best use it.

The government has promised hundreds of billions and the stock market is down nearly 800 points right now. Worldwide they are talking trillions of dollars into the banks. For goodness sake, can't we try giving real money, not the $600 a piece pittance, to the people? $1 million or even $10 million is nothing to Buffet or Gates, but to Wild_Bill it would be a truly life-changing amount.

Posted by earl on October 15, 2008 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

4th_horseman right on,i have been in 3 booms and saw more than my share of worms .The old time real "ruffnecks" taught me to give it like you get it and leave it better than you found it !
wild_bill get you a .22 rifle and pistol if you can and a couple of thousand rounds , keep a quick to go bag that will carry you and your wife for a few days ,a good skinning knife and light camping gear is good !small box of .22 rat shot for the pistol may GOD be with you because a government that borrows money from you to lend it to you is INSANE !

Posted by whatif on October 16, 2008 at 1:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill, I strongly agree that trickle down only works with s**t and it tends to cover everything at the bottom. Realisticly speaking, earls' idea stands as much as a chance as in a last minute deal the constitution being change to let GWB finish bankrupting the country just so he can say "I told you it would work". Now that THEY have the money does not mean they have to spend it. Just wait, and use it where it will be needed the most. Some of us were glad to see oil skyrocket because we knew in the end it would be good for us. We threw out the baby with the bath water, now look, OPEC and the oil companies will give all of you a nice Xmas present this year. Given time the banks will change to, why should you pay to have your money in a bank? They should feel privledge to have you deposit your mony with them. We will have this once again if they want some of this money. It's called give and take. Want some money, show us what you are going to do differently now. We own some of these banks now, John Q. Public. We get to sit on the board of Directors to say how much retirement packages are back loaded. Our biggest problem is, who do we want to elect to represent our interest? The same people who turned a blind eye to what was happening or a new bunch with our interest in mind. That is the question. Do we want a hand-off or do we want a new formation?

Posted by earl on October 16, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wild_bill beforeuask 4th_ horseman , hey Grace and peace to ya'll !
I was prospecting for gold in colorado in the 1980's and was on a 3 day hunt with a native coloradian , on the morning of the 3rd day i woke up and went to open the tent flap , and got tennis elbow , golf swing syndrome , it was frozen shut and i not expecting reistance got some so it ,well anyway i kicked and punched,pushed untill i could stick my head out and what i saw as a flat-lander , what the mountain men call us, was awesome a total whiteout . I could not even see the candy apple red blazer we had came in ! we were just below timberline and Reggie had been insistant on certain rules of procedure for setting up camp even for just 3-days,thank GOD ! I woke Reggie up and said hey get a look at this,he gets up looks out and when he turns to me I saw and heard the panic in his eyes and voice ! He said earl we need three days firewood in the tent right now ( it was a large military tent with a wood burning stove ,small) and how much food do we have left .I freaked this was our last day and we had planned to work our way down and then eat a hot meal at the first town on the way in !
My first instinct was to cram the last part of my baked potato and two granolia bars in my mouth and say we did not have any food left ,and it was a strong urge ,but i very calmly tallied up the few items and told reggie he said o.k. i am going to the blazer watch for me ,see he had tied a rope from the tent door to the blazer so that if this happened we could get to the blazer ! He came back with the wood he had insisted on putting in the Blazer and one can of vieanna sausage,we knocked the weight ice and snow off the tent and sat down togther and ate the most delicious gourmet meal i had ever had and the next day we were able to start down and i managed to shoot a grouse hen with my pistol ,just in case .
What i am trying to say with out offending anyone( o'well) is what happened to us is what is happening in the economy right now ,but i guess they are cramming all the food in their mouths and saying ,there is no more !