Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a crock! This is absolutly the worst thing I have seen them do yet.

There are times when my son goes with me but he doesn't want to walk around Victoria Secret and I don't want to walk around in his stores. Are they saying families have to stay together?

This will never work!

Or for that matter, what if my 17 year old son wants to go to the mall by himself? He should not "not" get to go just because I am not with him.

And what will happen if he does go by himself? Will the mall police arrest him? Will they make him leave? What about going to the movies? That is in the mall also? Do parents have to go with them there too?

There are too many "unanswered questions" here Mall of Abilene and ARN.

I will say that, if my son is told to leave because I am not there, we will Never go in that place again. I will take my business elsewhere or to another city mall.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the 'gangs' are a problem and I am taking that this is what this is all about, then don't let them come in.

I'm with you blah. I am not saying my 16 year old is perfect but he is not a troublemaker. So what is going to happen if he wants to take a date to the movies and out to eat at the mall on a Friday or Saturday night? So now he can't go because of the actions of others? Ban the kids that you have problems with and let the 'good' kids continue to go to the mall. My son does not want me to have to escort him. He just won't go to the mall if that is the case. I wonder how much money the mall will lose on this deal.

Posted by SMoore1032 on October 8, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy cow blahblah! Take it down a notch, this is not the worst thing to ever happen to man kind! This is a good idea, and I believe that it fits into the city very well. Teens in large groups tend to cause trouble, the mall doesn't want to see this and is taking positive steps to try to make sure nothing does happen. It's not everyday all day, I'm sure your son can go by himself at other hours.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Plus what if his 18 year brother is with him? What does the mall consider a guardian?

Abilene is a small town and I bet the ones the mall have a problem are repeat offenders. Ban those kids but leave the ones alone who are not causing a problem!!!!!!

Posted by abilene1 on October 8, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This isn't such a bad idea, but we do need clarification on what age groups can attend by themselves and what action will be taken if a youth is unattended.

Most of the unattended youth from what I have seen are under the age of 16. How about employees in the mall? They are teenagers.

This is going to be fun to watch, but it is only 2 days a week afterall. Of course they are the busiest teen social days of the week. Personally, I just won't allow any of my teenagers go and I wll stay away myself during these time periods.

Posted by TexasTwister on October 8, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm guessing a rise in shoplifting probably has a lot to do with this.

Posted by Texan55 on October 8, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Mall is not a baby sitter, period.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not saying it is a babysitter. But why not ban the kids who are causing the problems. I am sure mall security and the APD have had to deal with the troublemakers enough to know who they are. Why punish the kids who just want to go to the movies, eat, or the ones who are out there actually spending money and not causing problems? The mall needs to grow some ***** and deal with the problem kids and leave the rest of them alone.

Posted by HoursAway on October 8, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think they should loosen it to 16 an older. It is annoying seeing a bunch of kids making out or running people down with their horseplay. The problem is the parents that dump their kids off at the mall as a free easy way to get rid of them for a few hours. I think it's a great idea. As a former mall employee I can also say this will be a relief...less stuff messed up & stolen. Now before you with "perfect children" speak up, I'm not generalizing, but the playground the mall has become does cost the stores there money, I know a lot of people that refuse to go on a weekend when it's packed full of non-purchasing teens - and not every one can go on a Tuesday afternoon.

Posted by sadie on October 8, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For those of us that don't rely on the mall to babysit our children, this is a WONDERFUL idea! My husband and I are much more likely to visit the mall on weekends now. I doubt that the mall will lose any money from the young teenagers loitering around the stores on weeknights and will more likely make money from those of us who actually go there to shop. They should have done this sooner!

Posted by texasblackhawk84 on October 8, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's about time!

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Best thing that could have happened. Around 5pm you can just watch sales plummet as all the kids push out the real customers.

As for those complaining about the "problem kids", it's much more difficult than you think. They all protect each other.

FYI, kids found unattended will be "detained" (don't freak out, they won't be handcuffed and they WILL have access to a restroom) until their parents arrive and then be asked to leave.

Posted by goodoleboy on October 8, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blah and rsjz4,

READ the article before you start ranting and raving!

First paragraph of the article stated that "Moviegoers are excluded" from this new policy!!

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To the first two to leave a comment. They mall will not lose any money and neither will the merchants. This is a program that has been highly successful in numerous malls throughout the country. In the end, it will boost sales.

It really amazes me though how many parents have a problem with spending time with their children. It seems to me that most parents are afraid of losing their free babysitter.

Posted by badger79 on October 8, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The mall should consider lowering the age to under 16. Youths 17 & 18 years old who go to the movies will no longer be able to eat there. This does not seem fair to the mall restaurants. I know my daughter's group will typically meet there for dinner before their show.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do, however, lean towards dropping the age to 16. Most of those 16 and up ARE spending money. The best thing to do for those that want an age limit change, contact the mall. They would probably be open to changes if everyone thought they would be a positive or enough people had a good enough reason to make the change.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

goodoleboy...that was not in there when I posted.
They updated it.

The mall does not babysit my son. He is 17. That is considered an adult.

What about the 17 year old's that work during the weekdays and don't get a chance to go until Friday or Saturday night.

I can understand the "gang" situation or the huge groups of kids. But when my son goes, it is usually just him and his best friend, maybe one more but no more.

smoore---I don't have to tone anything down. I simply stated how I felt about the situation and asked questions. But you are right about one thing...this does fit the city well, everyone having to pay the price for punks!

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jjdavis...Do not imply that I do not want to spend time with my son. We spend 24 hours a day together outside of school and work during the week. We do go to the mall together.

READ my posting again...

"There are times when my son goes with me but he doesn't want to walk around Victoria Secret and I don't want to walk around in his stores"

So what then? Will he be asked to leave because he is not attached to my hip?

And---if your 17 year old needs a babysitter, more power to you and them...mine doesn't. He is an adult in my eyes and in the eyes of the law.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Exactly. My son does not go the mall just to go to the movies. He likes to go out there and shop for clothes or go eat. So now he can't because of the actions of others.

Hoursaway, if you will reread my first post, I even stated my 16 year old was not perfect. I am just saying he is not going to be allowed to go to the mall on a Friday or Saturday night thanks to others who don't know how to freaking behave.

This policy is probably successful in other malls in other towns that have something else for their youth to do. That is not the case here in Abilene.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think jjdavis works for the mall.

Posted by mbs0606 on October 8, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I kind of like the idea. I hardly go to the mall and the main reason is because I don't want to be around a bunch of teenagers that are all flocked together cursing and horsing around. Then you go somewhere to eat and they've taken over all the tables and just sit there, not even eating any food.

Posted by ElJaws on October 8, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good for the Mall! I'm sick of almost being run over by some punk running from a fight or my young daughter seeing girls being pawed by their boyfriends. Let the parents be the "baby-sitters" for their own unruly, loser kids!

Posted by ShakeandBake on October 8, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that it's a load of Oscar Meyer Bologna (nice sponsor plug there) that a lot of well-behaved kids will be excluded from the mall.

I know when I was that age eight years ago, I could go to the mall and hang out and not cause any problems, but I guess the mall not only wants to run stores out of it with high rent prices, but also wants to curtail spending.

I'm glad I live in the Metroplex now.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another thing jj---This really has nothing to do with "family time". Since I have first posted on this thread at 1:14pm, they have updated it at 2:13pm and stated it has to do with "large crowds of kids".

I think if they are going to do this, they should really lower the age to 16. Especially since 17 is a legal age. Why is it that our young men and women can go fight a war at age 17...but can not go to the mall by themselves?

If there is a problem with certain kids, punish them. Don't let them come back.

Posted by ihaveanopinion on October 8, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank God! But now how can the husband and I attend the friday night freakshow at the mall if the parents are there to see how their are dressed?

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess we will just have to wait and see a "rule book". Maybe they will post it on the ARN.

They definately need to be very specific on what the rules are. What about the kids that are 16-17 that work in the mall? Will they have to immediately be escorted out of the building?

Posted by mommakelly_64 on October 8, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What a crock of crap. It's not bad enough that the mall keeps running out the good stores now they want to run out the people that actually purchase clothes and food at the mall? What about the kids that work at the mall, do I have to go to work with my kid too? This is one of the most ignorant things I have heard. Just another reason to stay away!

Posted by ammartinez on October 8, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think this is a good idea for the younger kids but I have to agree that 16, 17, and 18 years should be aloud to walk around without their parents because a lot of older teeneagers do have jobs and money. By limiting them to shopping alone during the week, then you are sending the messsage to them that maybe they can only do things during the school week and not on their free weekends

JUST A THOUGHT TO CONSIDER

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

amen, mommakelly.

Posted by bulldog2 on October 8, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have no problem with this. I just want to know one thing....WHAT HAPPEN TO COASTAL COOKIES???!!!

Posted by checkingn on October 8, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have no comment....well maybe one...naw...not my issue in the San Antonio area.

Posted by Tumbleweed on October 8, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The mall has taken a step to not raise your children. Parent up! One more step to hold people accountable for action or inaction. I like it.

Posted by wild_bill on October 8, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm in favor of the new policy and it's more likely that I will go to the Mall on weekends because of this. I wonder why it doesn't extend to all week? I also have no problem with changing the age to 16 from 18.

blahblah, as a matter of curiousity, what special changes in "legal" status occur at 17?

I thought legal age was either 16 (for DL) 18 (to vote, get married, enter the armed services, watch/purchase adult movies, tobacco products etc) or 21 (alcohol and firearms). Enlighten me on this matter if you would.

Posted by realitycheck on October 8, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Get over it blahblah. No wonder that is your username, you have nothing good to say. You just want people to hear you. There are other things in Abilene to worry about other than if your child can go to the mall on Friday or Saturday night. Maybe there are some kids that have ruined it for others. Oh well, that happens everywhere. If they really need to go and shop for something, would it really hurt for you to take them. More than likely it is your money anyway. There are too many kids being dropped off because parents think the mall is a safe place for their child. People are hired to work in the stores, not babysit your kid. It said, no one under the age of 18 unless accompanied. That is specific. If they work there, then they are accompanied by an adult. They have a reason to be at the mall. Most kids just socialize with each other and many stand outside and smoke because mommy or daddy isn't around. Your just mad because your kid is one that hung out at the mall on Friday or Saturday and now you might have to find something else for them to do.

Posted by Texan55 on October 8, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it that important to allow your kids to hang out at the Mall? Is there nothing else they could do? This isn't the only place in town "to hang".

Posted by Zoey on October 8, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Myself I don't have a problem with it becasue my kids are still little. I think it is a good idea and a bad idea. Ok for the mothers that let their kids go to the mall by themselves, ya that kinda sucks for you. NO 17 year old boy who is responsible enough to go to the mall alone is going to like this one bit. I think it will cause more problesm than solve. What about dates and moviegoers and responsible kids that don't cause problems? Now for the kids that DO cause problems and gang bangers and dress inappopriatley with their pants hanging off their butts to their knees. You can tell by the way kids act and present themselves. They should not be a loud in the malls by themselves. I would like to go to the mall on weekends with my family and not have to worry about thugs and low-lifes hanging around. Yelling and making all kinds of noise. Having my daughter look at some of these young girls and the way they dress, and thinking it's ok to look like a hoochie when you are 13 or 14. Parents should be with these kid of kids. The mall will probably loose money for this but that is the way it goes.

Posted by roberttlaird on October 8, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My understanding of the article is that 18 y.o are allowed. If you are under 18 and accompanied by someone 18 or older you are allowed. Any age at the movie is OK. I would bet if you are a mature acting 17 y.o. and are shopping in Dillard's for example, nobody is going to kick you out. If you are a group of under 18 y.o. wandering the mall and "hanging out" they can use this to kick you out.

Posted by rlc00b on October 8, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't go to the mall on the weekends mainly because of the groups of kids and their filthy mouths. There are certain 4 letter words I don't want my 4 year old repeating. I do think the age should be lowered to 16 or 15. I'm sure that the other malls that have done this have teenagers that work there as well and I can't imagine that this rule would apply to them. If you have that big of a problem with it call the mall office and get the rest of the info that I'm sure this article fails to mention.

Posted by jennzacowgirl on October 8, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.mallofabilene.com/info/par...

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rsjz4, I work IN the mall. Not FOR the mall. I'm tired of the kids running off all the customers as are almost EVERY business in the mall. This isn't something that the mall just decided to do. You really don't realize how many complaints they receive from not just mall customers, but the merchants as well.

blahblah, if YOU would READ my comments, you would see that I believe they should drop the age to 16. As I said, most in the 16 and older age group are actually shopping.

Posted by workingmom08 on October 8, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

O.K. jjdavis81 you are just out of touch and do not know what it is like to be a parent these days. We do not want to "dump our kids" at the mall. My child is in the eight grade (13 yrs. old) and make straight "A's". She is in four pre-A classes. So she is not a bad kid. But you know what, she begs me to got to the mall to "hang out" with her friends all of the time because it is the social thing to do right now. And everytime she goes I give her $10 to $20 to spend on food or movies (poor mom). It was so hard for me to let her go alone. I just started letting her go without me there. I used to stay at the mall and let her go her own way. But she said, "mom...that is not cool and no one else has to have their mom watching them." "I am a good kid and I only want to have a good time and go to the movies." She goes to the mall about 5 p.m. before her 7:30 p.m. show on Friday or Saturday. What is wrong with that Abilene? WE TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY FROM OUR KIDS IN THIS TOWN. No sports complex and now no Mall. We have such an old person mentality in this community that we can't even remember what it is like to be young anymore and want to be social and just have fun. And believe me, I bring money to the mall and I know my friends give their kids money too. Because I am the taxi mom and I make sure everyone has money and is safe. Sometimes I walk in and check up on them to make sure all is well. And I also take her to spend big bucks at the clothing stores quite often too. So don't judge parents who are trying to do good for their "Good" kids and bring money to the Mall that is losing so many stores as it is. Do we want to loose parents like me as customers too. Yes you will get a few "old-timers" out who can now "walk" around in peace but how much do they really spend? Or are they just using the Mall to do their "walking?" Come on Mall of Abilene...you already kill us with stupid fees on your gifts cards that we try to purchase to "keep money in Abilene" and now you want to RUN US OFF TOO. Stop and think!

Posted by ElJaws on October 8, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whiners! Grow some testicles and either use them or donate them to stem cell research!

Posted by UHeardMe on October 8, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't like the policy, but I am going to like going to the mall on the weekend evenings without wondering "where did all these kids come from"!?

I wouldn't let mine hang out there because it looked like trouble just waiting to happen. My teens have gone to dinner at other places, and then shown up just in time for the movie if it happened to be at the mall. Too many thugs wandering around looking to start trouble.

I try to get my own mall shopping done on week nights because I specifically do not like the weekend crowd of kids that are there. It isn't just during the evening, it seems like an all day until closing time place for these kids to "hang". They probably keep the snack shops in business.

I have never seen the same thing (masses of teens and pre-teens hanging out, not shopping) when I shop in Dallas or Austin. So what is a good alternative for these kids? PrimeTime? Skating rink? Sports? Some chores at home? Homework?

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wild bill---What I mean by "legal" is that at the age of 17, they are a legal adult. Meaning able to leave home; move out on their own.

reality---Whatever...my username is blahblah from reading posts like yours. Yes, I want people to hear me just like you. That is why I post on here. Why are you throwing punches at me? I have not said anything that is not true.

Obviously you are missing my point. And like I said "Again". A 17 year old should not need babysitting. If yours does, that is on you ...not me.

Go ahead. Throw all the punches you want. I will fight fair. I have a right to my opinion and that is what I am doing. If you can't deal with that and you think I have "nothing good to say" then stop reading my posts.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jj---if YOU would look at the TIME I posted my comment to you, it was 2 minutes after you posted the one about the age. I was almost finished typing when you posted yours. I saw it after I submitted mine.

What is wrong with everyone? Whey are you getting so defensive? I have a right to say what I believe about this just like you do. I am not "slamming" you for thinking this is a good thing.

You have your oppinion and I have mine. Grow Up.

Posted by jennzacowgirl on October 8, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a little concerned as to what the mall will say when a bus load of teenagers shows up at the mall to hang out after playing a game here in Abilene. Is the mall going to refuse all of those kids who are there to spend money???

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all workingmom08, I'm 27 and have a 22 month old son. I'm definitely NOT out of touch. I even have a 16 year old sister-in-law. I am by far NOT out of touch. Even when I was 16 I didn't want to go to the mall because of all the kids in the mall. It's ridiculous. It's really not a good environment when there are that many kids in here. Just because she's intelligent and does well in school doesn't mean there's not a possibility she might get into/cause trouble. Now I'm not saying she will, but good grades don't define a person.

So you let her go out because she "begs" you to? Because it's "the social thing to do now"? So if it's the social thing to do meth and she "begged" you to let her do it, you would? That's a poor and irresponsible argument.

Posted by weeman on October 8, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you act the mall is the ONLY place for kids to hang out. I agree, that the age should be 16, however. At 16 and 17, these kids are starting to sprout as young adults and a lot fo them have jobs, are driving, ect...and IF they are under 16, they shouldnt be just left at the mall in any case. I think this is a good thing for the Mall to do. The mall is not exactly a prime hangout place anyway. The mall is for patrons to come in and purchase things and to be at ease when they do, instead of having to worry about some little kid spouting off obsenties and whatnot. I see it time and time again...parents dropping off there 12, 13 and 14 yr olds off. "Bye, see you when the mall closes". If your one of "these" parents, you have issues.....

Posted by tlongoria on October 8, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THIS IS CRAZY......

WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THESE KIDS NOW DAYS? THERES BARELY ANYTHING FOR THEM TO DO AS IT IS AND NOW THIS......

YOUR JUST ASKING FOR MORE CORRUPTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.......ATLEAST THESE KIDS WERE OFF THE STREETS NOT BREAKING INTO CARS OR DOING DRUGS ETC......

I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THEY ARE STEALING FROM THE MALL BUT THATS WHAT YOUR SECURITY IS FOR AND THE JUVENILLE DETENTION CENTER IS FOR....ISN'T THAT THEIR JOB??????

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alot of people are saying they will go to the mall now because of this. But guess what, I will stop going to the mall because of this.

The mall knows what kids are the troublemakers. Like I said before, ban those and leave the ones who don't cause problems alone. My kid does not go to the mall to hang out. He goes for a purpose, whether it be to shop, eat, or go to the movies. But you know what - he will just take his money elsewhere. It won't be spent at the mall.

Posted by Texan55 on October 8, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With the economy in shambles, people may not even have a Mall to go to in the near future. There are more important issues at hand than your spoiled kids "hanging out at the Mall". The people that's complaining need to get over it!

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblah, you're the one who seemed to get angry when you started using capital letters. I did look at the time. It was seven minutes later. It was your second statement that was aimed at me.

I'm not taking anything personally and you are MORE than welcome to your own opinion. It would be an unwelcome and unwanted world if you and everyone else were not.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let me start over from the beginning...

I agree that it is "rediculous" at the mall when all the kids with their wild behavior and foul language. Something does need to be done. But this is not the way.

When my son (age 17) goes to the mall, he does not go in groups. He drives himself with 1-2 friends and uses his own money to go buy a couple shirts at a couple stores. He does not go to the movies at the mall because of all the gangs and thugs that do hang out there.

My point is...why should kids that are doing no wrong be banned because of punk kids that ruin it for the rest of them? Why not just ban the kids that are causing trouble? If someone is banned, they could have a list with someone at the door and make them show ID to prove they are who they say they are? Isn't that what they will do anyway?

Posted by TennesseeDavis on October 8, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just because a kid tells you it is "cool" to hang out at the mall doesn't mean you should let them. Everyone likes to make their kid out to be the exception, but I guess I've never been to the mall when your kid is there. All I ever see is disrespect of others with foul language and public displays of affection, loitering, and virtually no sales for the businesses in the mall other than the movie theater.
The reason it isn't cool for you to be at the mall when your kids are there with their friends is because they are most likely doing things you wouldn't approve of. I was a teenager at one time not so long ago and while I won't claim to know what it is like to be a parent of a teenager, I can speak from experience that kids hanging out at the mall are usually up to no good. Congratulations on your kid being the exception...for those parents unlike yourselves, the mall is a babysitter and a breeding ground for mischief.

Posted by weeman on October 8, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Besides all of that, if i read correctly, 5-9 on Fridays and Saturdays are the only times they will be doing this. 8 hours out of the week, that under 18 (again, should be 16) cannot be by themselves at the mall. Thats not that big of a deal.

Posted by sirgrumpy1 on October 8, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is about bloody time...the young people of today have become increasingly rude and obnoxious; they have been known to bump into older patrons and not apologize and look at these folks as a problem; after all they did not move out of the way quick enough for them. They also have been known to use vulgar language and not think twice about it.

I am not a prude or any of the such, however, wrong is wrong and this type of action is totally wrong. I applaud the Mall of Abilene for trying to do something about this problem. Personally, I believe that these young people should be ticketed for their language and held responsible for their actions; much like we in the 'real' world for our own actions. Simple assault is still an assault...hold these young people accountable.

Posted by Zoey on October 8, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think they should specify what the restrictions are before they post something like this in the paper, now everybody is all upset and starting fights. Just call the mall or look it up. Not that big of a deal.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tlongoria, they may have been off the streets, but that doesn't stop them getting caught breaking into cars, carrying drugs, fighting, etc at the mall.....

Posted by TennesseeDavis on October 8, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"YOUR JUST ASKING FOR MORE CORRUPTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.......ATLEAST THESE KIDS WERE OFF THE STREETS NOT BREAKING INTO CARS OR DOING DRUGS ETC"

It is naive to think that kids aren't passing drugs and planning crimes while hanging out with their friends at the mall. Not all of them do that, but take off the blinders and look around. I was offered drugs more than once at the mall as a teen.

Posted by blueneck on October 8, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Boycotts and civil disobedience are the answer to nonsense like this.

As of this moment, I will not shop in any store anywhere that has a business in Abilene Mall. If the teens and parents of those teens affected by this rule will do the same and let it be widely known that they are boycotting, then I imagine the rule might get changed. It will not work unless the boycott is widespread, adhered to, and publicized.

The next step is refusal to comply. Be prepared to go to jail for trespass. That is part of civil disobedience. I think if enough people don't comply, get themselves arrested for trespass, plead not guilty and ask for a jury trial, then appeal any verdict, then things will change. Again, teens must have the support of their parents and nearly everyone must "fail to comply". Otherwise it won't work.

People can't just sit back and whine about bad rules. They must take nonviolent action.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

According to the 'guidelines', my two sons cannot be at the mall together on a Friday or Saturday night. My oldest 18 and is considered an adult in the eyes of the law but according to the mall, he is not eligible to be his younger brother's guardian.

I guess my family will just take our shopping money elsewhere. Because per the mall, my kids are juvenile deliquents who need supervision. My 16 year old cannot always go the mall during the week because he has school, sports, and a part-time job. OMG, he is such a terrible kid who does not deserve to be a the mall unsupervised. Well, guess what Mall of Abilene, I went to the mall on Monday but that will be my very last time.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblah, just so you know, we (business owners and managers) have just received fliers on this program. They say they can at any time change certain restrictions. If you feel as strongly as you do about certain ages (as many other do too), talk to the mall. As I said if there is a strong enough case to change the age restrictions to 16 or 17, they will most likely be open to the idea.

Posted by furankuoogata on October 8, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this si going to cost the mall money but i guess they make enough to do this (not, i worked there when it was considered prosperous) and i think they should carry it further, lets ban the geriatric walkers that take up space cause when i do go i hate having to move around them or wait for their crowd to clear so i can pass. they aren't spending money at all. see this is exactly why i do not shop abilene, there are better deal and better serviecc in the dfw area, and while i don;t go as often since the gas prices increase i just spend more on those fewer trips. abilene mall, will see how well this does not work out. persons that are problems should be the ones penalized. i do not let my children (through age 14) go unattended, but my 15 and 16 yr olds are responsible enough to go unattended to spend my money, if they are not welcome then they will not use my money there, they will have to go with to dfw. or better yet online buying is all the rage now.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jj and tennessee...I do agree with both of you on your last comments. If kids do these things, they won't stop just because they are at the mall.

But again, prosecute them, not all.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the info jj.

rsj---"Children under the age of 18 must be accompanied by an adult or guardian while visiting the mall"

That is what ARN reported. If your son is 18, he is an adult. This might be something to check into.

Posted by tlongoria on October 8, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is naive to think that kids aren't passing drugs and planning crimes while hanging out with their friends at the mall. Not all of them do that, but take off the blinders and look around. I was offered drugs more than once at the mall as a teen.

FIrst of all I am way to far from being NAIVE, and thats from someone whos been to prison and learned a very hard lesson......and maybe you were offered a cigarrette but i doubt anything harder than that.....

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblah, I think rsj's last comment was aimed at her 16 year old. Her 18 year old son would be allowed to go, but is not old enough (21 is the magic number) to be a guardian for his younger brother. 21 is definitely a steeper age than I would have expected.

Posted by abilene1 on October 8, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a simple matter really and it doesn't have anything to do with petitioning for a policy change. If you don't like it, shop elsewhere. Let the market drive this issue.

Posted by blueneck on October 8, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I really hope the mall is smart enough not to try to "detain" for breaking a rule of their business. You can detain people for breaking laws, not breaking a (non-law) rule of a business.

That would be like a fancy restaurant with a dress code "detaining" me for not wearing a tie through their door. They can refuse me service and boot me out, but they can't detain me. Let them try to detain me.... I always wanted to own a fancy restaurant :)

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tlongoria, I see at least 3 kids (under 18!) being taken out of the mall every weekend because of pot or something worse. At least another 2 to 3 every weekend because of alcohol.

Posted by Zoey on October 8, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think they should lower the age, I say 15 and under. 16 and older can drive and are more responsible. It's the thugs and low-lifes that should not be welcome.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, APD will be enforcing this as well at every entrance from what I've been told.

Posted by abileneres on October 8, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am so glad that they are doing this. I have been staying away from the mall on weekends for a long time because of all the kids running around and being loud & obnoxious! I agree- the mall is not a babysitter! I'm glad the finally put a stop to it, it's been going on for a long time. Lazy parents just pull up & drop off their little 'angels' at the mall all for us all to enjoy! :O !
How nice!

Posted by Zoey on October 8, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What I want to know is how are they going to keep them out? Are the police checking ID's at the doors? All the doors? How are they going to keep that under control?

Posted by blueneck on October 8, 2008 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The rules of a business do not carry the force of law. APD has no business enforcing the rules of a business :)

Posted by onesmallvoice on October 8, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

unfortunately, all of us must pay for the actions of the few who cause trouble. But I think it's the best way to handle the problem. If you go into a mall in Houston, you will see what's coming to our mall if we do not make this rule and stick to it. Personally, I avoid the mall on those nights because it's kind of scary.

Posted by Zoey on October 8, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ok my bad then the 90 year old mall security?

Posted by elizabeth on October 8, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't said anything in quite a while... so I think I will chime in now. I am divided on the issue. (lots of help I am) I absolutely hate to go to the mall on weekends. You notice about 6pm the little thugs start coming out and they are from 10 yrs old and up. When I did go to the mall on weekends it was nerve racking to say the least. Teen kids were walking around - cussing, pushing people... I do not let my teen kids go to the mall to "hang out". Come on parents... the ones of you who say the mall is the social thing to do - you obviously have not visited our mall. After an hour or so the kids are going to end up bored and up to no good. If I had to go there every weekend and walk around for hours I would end up bored and cussing people also. :) There are a lot of 16 & 17 yr olds that are responsible enough to go to the mall alone BUT I don't think this rule is being pushed because of them but rather than because of the little punks who walk around acting like Billy Bad Azz & their parents do use the mall as a babysitter. I think the mall is going to the extreme to get a problem that is out of control back under control and if we all are just a little patient it may pay off. I can understand (to a point) why they do have to go so extreme... can you imagine if they walked up to one set of teens and enforced the rules but let the others ignore the rules? Discrimination charges in a heart beat. I know a few teens who work at the mall and they say it won't hurt their feelings one but to leave as soon as their shift is over. I really do feel like when the "problem" groups find a new place to terrorize then things will go back to normal. Until then I may just enjoy a Saturday evening at the mall.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Copied from the mall's website:

To qualify as a parent/guardian, a person must be 21 or older.A parent/guardian must be 21 or older, but need not be a legal guardian of the individual(s). A parent or guardian who appears to be 21 or younger may be asked to present a valid photo ID. Younger parents (aged 18 to 21) will be allowed to accompany their own children. Disabled individuals over the age of 17 may be assisted by someone who is under 18.

That means my 18 year old who is considered an ADULT cannot accompany his brother to the mall. Sorry, but that is bull.

Posted by blahblah on October 8, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.mallofabilene.com/info/par...

Here are the "rules"

Posted by TexasTwister on October 8, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no way on earth I would let a 13 year-old girl go to the mall without adult accompaniment, I don't care how "good" she is or what her grades are.
Go ahead...call me an old fuddy-duddy....but I've seen too many of those supposed "good girls" that meet up and hang with the sleaziest looking guys out there.
I'm sure you trust your daughter as I do mine....but I believe in Reagan's creed...Trust, but Verify.

Posted by ajsd on October 8, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with the mall. The situation is getting bad. Security tries and so does APD, but you know what there is only so much you can do. I work and the mall and I couldn't be happier with this! I have kids blocking my store so people have a hard time coming and going. Like JJ said after 5 bye bye sales. And I dont know about you but if I have bad sales it reflects MY work. I am tired of the yelling cursing and kids being flat out rude! Just last week a girl was cursing to her friend about her mom being a effing B**** because she would hurry up and get to the store and buy her something. And when she got there she went from a sour brat to a sweet little angle. THANK YOU MOMMY! Any of this ring a bell with some of you. 16 yeah I can see that, 17 mostly but there are kids being left there at 10 years old. There is plenty of place for your kids to go. Anyone ever hear of Prime Time!? They just build it what last year! Go karts mini golf batting cages! Sounds like a place to go to me! How about you leave your kids off there and let Prime Time deal with them for a bit and let people shop.

Posted by HoursAway on October 8, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, it seems like there are more people that are okay with it than not so I think that can only help business - especially if more people will be willing to make the trip there to shop without the problem of the swarms of kids.
When I was younger I was a good kid, but my mom would let me walk around with a friend until I was 16. I dont understand, responsible child or not, why a parent of a 13-15 year old would let them have such freedom, especially these days! What these parents may not know is that there are physical fights that occur in the bathrooms, the ruckous outside of the mall, I've see a bag of weed sold to a kid when I worked there (yes, I reported it) and I tell you what...it wasn't a "gang banger" that purchased it either! (Speaking of which...I love how the word "gangs" and "gang bangers" are thrown around so loosely in Abilene...a pack of kids of the same style, color or age doesn't make them "gang bangers" As much as I hate the "thug" mentality, and sagging pants, I know there's a difference)

rsjz4 - never said a thing about your kid

Either way, most of everyone that's "boycotting" the mall or whatever will be mad for a few months tops and we'll see them back. But hey, if you want to spend your gas money to go to dfw go ahead. Online shopping? Sure, until you purchase clothes that come in the wrong size or on backorder.
I think those that travel in for sporting events (teams) should be given a special exception, as well as those that are employed by a mall store. I'm sure the mall staff has already thought of the solution to that situation and can answer your questions if you call.
Again, I think 16 is old enough - but overall, GREAT idea.

Posted by abc_123 on October 8, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm in shock and have no idea what to think. I just hope that the mall "rent a cops" are getting a raise because I can only imagine the hell thats gonna break loose!!!

I know one thing they ain't no top flight security of the world!!! LOL

I think I'll just pull up a bench and watch all the drama!

Posted by delgadoharley on October 8, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IT WON'T LAST LONG CUZ A TEENAGER DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT WITH THIER PARENTS WALKING THE MALL. THE MALL IS GOING TO LOSE ALOT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE THE MALL IS NOTHING BUT TEEAGE KIDS SPENDING MONEY.GOOD LUCK. IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME NONE BECAUSE I HATE THE MALL ANYWAY.

Posted by HoursAway on October 8, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tlongoria - times have changed since you were "locked up" I guess...I've seen the weed, I know better.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

However APD can enforce the LAW if someone is found trespassing. If you disobey the "rules", you are then trespassing.

What we've been told is that Mall Security AND APD will be checking ID's at each entrance.

Posted by Texan55 on October 8, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It should help the Mall in the long run. Now older, more mature folks can go to the Mall on weekend nights without gangs of young, unsupervised kids walking in herds that refuse to move over to let people by. So take your kids and boycott. The sooner the better!

Posted by karla.martin on October 8, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm just laughing at how people are getting so bent out of shape because there is a age restriction on the mall for only 8 hours out of the whole week. There are far more worse things to get all upset at than this. I personally avoid the mall at all costs because of all the kids that hang out there.

Posted by take_em on October 8, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, I'm happy for this rule. I was not long ago a teenager and I clearly remember what the MAJORITY of kids my age were up to.

However, I think we're missing a big part of the first post....
blahblahblah wrote, "There are times when my son goes with me but he doesn't want to walk around Victoria Secret and I don't want to walk around in his stores.". Well my message to you is, if you're a mother of a 17 year old, still shop at Vicky's, and look anything like Sara Palin... I'll shop at every Vicky's in America with you!!

Posted by wild_bill on October 8, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblah, I was unaware that 17 was the age when juveniles could legally drop out of school or move out of their parents/legal guardians control. I do know that parents are legally required to support their children until 18 unless they are declared "liberated" by a court of law. To my mind being able to drop out and move out are not the hallmark of reaching "legal age" particularly considering the number of constraints that are lifted at age 18.

Under both civil and criminal law, the break point is 18 and 21, not 17 THAT was where I was coming from. I know you have to be 18 to sign a contract (rental agreement, home or auto purchase, credit card issued) etc . I am not criticizing your son but for example a 17 years old is generally handled by the JUVENILE branch of the legal system while an 18 year old is almost always handled by the ADULT legal system. That one year makes an incredible difference in the eyes of the law.

I apologize for beathing this drum but I just don't consider a 17 year old, no matter how responsible, to be an adult and neither does the law. I am not opposed to dropping the restriction to 16, but I wish the restrictions applied all week long instead of just weekends.

Posted by ajsd on October 8, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ADR have you ever gotten to know the "rent-a-cops" there at the mall! That is a VERY ignorant thing to say. They can only do so much with their jobs. Working at the mall I have gotten to know most all of them and they all do the best they can which is not much at all. How about you get to know what their job actuly is before you say something like that!

Posted by TexasTwister on October 8, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by mommakelly_64 on October 8, 2008 at 3:08 p.m.
"What a crock of crap. It's not bad enough that the mall keeps running out the good stores now they want to run out the people that actually purchase clothes and food at the mall? What about the kids that work at the mall, do I have to go to work with my kid too? This is one of the most ignorant things I have heard. Just another reason to stay away!"

Right...because...the best way for the Mall to make a profit is "running out the good stores". I think I read in Forbes just last week that the most successful and profitable business get that way by running off their most valuable customers and tenants.

And what kind of logic is it that you're going to stay away from the very mall where your kid works....so...he can lose his job because people are boycotting the mall? Excellent reasoning.

Posted by krprilliman on October 8, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with karla.martin on this; excellent comment.

Posted by ajsd on October 8, 2008 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gonna have to go with TexasTwister... Cause it wasn't the fact that GAP went bankrupt and closed a lot of their stores nation wide, or the same thing with Steve and Berry's. No it was the mall running them out.

Posted by teh_freaky on October 8, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why not extend this rule to Saturday afternoons as well? Isn't that when most of the hoodlums get dropped off?

And I agree with those who think the age limit should be 16 instead of 18. I think the novelty of being a mallrat wears off by about 16.

17 is the age of consent in the state of Texas. It means you can get married without parental permission, move out of your parents residence and live on your own (which assumes that you can sign a contract, for say an apartment), among other things. However, due to a law passed a few years ago, you have to be 18 before you can drop out of school. Google it.

Posted by junebug on October 8, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has been done before . . . in the early 80s there were problems with the "Mall Mafia." The Mall is a retail center, it is not a playground for unsupervised teenagers looking to "hook up" and creating havoc with legitimate shoppers.

Posted by TexasTwister on October 8, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remember them, june....La Familia de el Centro Comercial. *L*

I agree with your comments, and I think today's version is nastier than that one.

Posted by redsun01 on October 8, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My family and I have been to the mall several times on a Friday or Saturday before and after 5 pm. I can tell you of 2 incidents that occurred there that support this. 1) My three year old son being knocked out of my grip and to the floor by kids running after each other. 2) Again with my three year old - saying a certain "F" word after hearing it from mall brats we were walking behind. None of these children were above the age of 13-14 at best. Kind of hard to tell exactly how old they are when they have too much make-up and jewelry and nowhere near enough clothing. If the parents who use the mall as a babysitter don't care anymore about their kids than to let them grace the public like this, then maybe they should consider their roles as parents and where their kids are learning this behavior.

Posted by TexasTwister on October 8, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay..before anyone gets their underpants all twisted up, I wasn't implying the mall gangs are all Hispanic. It was a joke...
Actually the snottiest little teen brats I've seen at the Mall are white wannabe tough guys and girls trying to look 10 years older than they are.
Sad.

Posted by sirgrumpy1 on October 8, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is apparent that the ruling has touched off a 'fire storm' with the local teenie boppers. Like other rules, these would not have to be made if folks would mind their P's and Q's. Many of you are talking about boycotting the Mall and the stores that are represented...seriously, think about your 'personal' children. Do you want them to be subject to the nonsense displayed by the 'thugs' or if it were your elderly parents that were cursed at or assaulted by these lovelies? Instead of being pushed out of shape, try to understand the reasoning behind the 'FAMILY TIME HOURS' at the Mall.

Posted by halls on October 8, 2008 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has been a long time coming. A big THANK YOU goes out to the Mall.

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Isnt this the same as profiling? Come on folks another way for the people causing the problems to mess it up for every one else. A VERY simplistic, but relevant, example of what is wrong with Americans since of right and wrong.
Hmm .....will not be discriminated against on the basis of race, creed, religion AGE, sex ..... oh never mind

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I stated before, my kids are not perfect. Lord knows they have their misgivings, but why ban them for the actions of other. My kids go to the mall for a purpose and to spend money. Not to run over little kids, little old ladies, deal drugs, or shout the F word up and down the mall. If the mall security and APD see that kind of activity going on, pull those kids aside and ban them from the mall. Why punish all teens because there are some who don't know how to behave? The mall is just putting all teens into a typical stereotype.

Posted by teh_freaky on October 8, 2008 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tomg130: I don't think that those non-descrimination rules apply here. The Mall of Abilene is a privately owned establishment, and they are fully within the law to place restrictions on people who visit their property.

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not based on the above factors ummmmm no red haired people in the mall

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BTW being a teenager is a disability most times lol I should know I was one and have two LOLOLOL

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If they couldn't, how could APD be involved. Do some research. They CAN place those restrictions. They've checked with numerous lawyers I'm sure. Mall of Abilene is NOT the first to do this. There's one in Colorado that's had this for years. If they weren't allowed to, it wouldn't happen. Pretty simple.

Posted by United22 on October 8, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Really, ladies and gentleman. First of all, I think this is a good idea, but aslo I think that it will change in awhile after people call mall mangement and vent there concerns. I too do not go to the mall on the weekends, mainly due the extremely abudandt number of teeny-boppers. I dont really think this will cause the mall to loose business, the economy is doing that already by the number of stores being closed due to rising prices and other factors that fall under these instances. I will probably visit the mall more frequently now that all the kids arent hanging around, cursing, and practically having over-the-clothes DRY HUMPING SEX anymore!!

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and I am sure that makes it the right thing to do

Posted by ajsd on October 8, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

rsjz4 : APD and Security does pull these kids and kick them out. And what happens Their parents come up yelling and screaming about their OH SO GOOD child being picked on. Parents are using the mall as a drop off for their kids.

Posted by teh_freaky on October 8, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is the right thing to do. The abundance of disrespectful teenaged cliques at the Mall is affecting business there. I avoid the Mall on Friday nights and Saturdays for precisely that reason, as do many, many other people that I know. I can't be bothered by a gaggle of bratty teenagers who don't know how to behave. I shop elsewhere, or don't shop at all at those times.

If you don't like these rules, don't shop at the Mall. it's that simple.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the businesses it IS the right thing to do. A lot of research has been put into this. Most cities that have put this into effect have had some problems at first, but the mall and businesses in the mall have benefited from it. The mall wasn't made for kids to hang out at. It was made for shopping.

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it the right thing to do or the easy thing?

John you will not behave in my store you are no welcome here anymore......or John, you will not behave in my store you and all the other 14 year olds cannot come in?

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If it were just one person, every time it might be that simple. You obviously don't know what it would take to do that. They've been trying it that way for a long time. It hasn't worked. Why? Maybe because there are so many of them. Most of them walk in large groups. Even if they don't arrive that way, the end that way after meeting all their friends. It would be almost impossible to go through and pick one out here and there. That's why it hasn't worked.

The point is, they CAN still come to the mall. There just has to be someone there to make sure they're responsible. Everyone keeps making it sound as if kids are banned. That's just a political type twist instead of FACTS.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If that is the case, then the mall needs to legally ban those kids. Much like a store does a shoplifter. But I don't think the mall should ban all teens. Contrary to popular belief, there are good teens out there.

Posted by teh_freaky on October 8, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, there are good teens out there. I know some of them. And they don't hang out at the Mall for hours on end, doing nothing but running around like fools. They go there to shop, or eat, or see a movie, and then they leave.

Posted by sirgrumpy1 on October 8, 2008 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately, all kids are lumped into the same pod due to the inconsiderate ones. But how do you make the call as to who is who and whether this one is able to come in or that one is not? Yes, to some extent this is the 'easy way' out of a bad situation. What suggestions do you, the teenagers, have for the businesses that are losing money because of the episodic problems that seemingly are abound in the Mall? It is really easy to throw a fit, when someone is trying to make it better for those that are spending money. If they allow some to come in and others to stay out, what kind of message is that sending to the public as a whole? Just for the sake of correctness....'any establishment has the right to REFUSE service to anyone based on the establishment's set of rules.'

Posted by fishkiler on October 8, 2008 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HAHA where will they go spend their $2 dollars now that their parents give them when they drop them off at the MALL HAHA

Best Step the Mall ever took -- now if they would require an adult to accompany their kids to the skate park a lot of problems will be solved..

Dear parents this would not be happening if you really paid more attention to what your kids are doing....

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again Ban the ones causing problems, if we are going to have folks checking IDs for anyone under 18 can we not have a list there for the banned folks instead, not the whole age group. I am not going to debate whos teenager is more well behaved , but if in the determination of the APD, mall police or proprietor, the person, teenager or not, is misbehaving ban them. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY its a novel concept nowdays.
Are we profiling based on age?

Posted by Dually_Driver on October 8, 2008 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Abilene has a Mall??????????????

Posted by reaganite on October 8, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Are we profiling based on age?"
The mall is private property, they can ban anyone they want. Just like you can on your property. Or your mom can ban anyone on her property.

Posted by tomg130 on October 8, 2008 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So I am the owner of tomg's restruant: I am going to ban the "larger" folks from my buffet on sundays unless accompanied by a diet counselor because they eat to much of my food. Discrimination? YES legal NO private property YES

Posted by ajsd on October 8, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tomg130 : They have a list of people that are band! Besides what do you want them to do? Stand at the door checking the list for people that are not aloud there. You know check their ID against the list. Do any of you really know how the mall works. Kids are the problem and parents are just pissed that they cant leave them there anymore with their $10 to spend on a drink and some food. What the heck is a kid going to do at the mall for 3 hours with $10 besides p--- off mall employees because they will not get out of the door ways and leaning against kiosks blocking it from potential customers. 90% of the kids there after 6 are a bother and have NO respect for anyone. I have lost so much business because of kids blocking my doors cause they are talking. You know what happens when I ask them to move on? They call me a b----. Where are you parents when this is happening. And worst yet I have to explain to my DM why I had a bad Friday when I should have had a great one!

Posted by reaganite on October 8, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Discrimination? YES legal NO private property YES"
Discrimination? Yes. Legal? Yes.

What part of private property don't you get?

Posted by workingmom08 on October 8, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all jjdavis81, you have way too much time on your hands because all you do is respond to this article. Second having a 22 month old or a teenage sister-in-law gives you no insight into teenagers and how to raise them and wether or not a parent should let them go to the mall or not. Just because you obviously work at the "MALL" and don't like the kids you want them gone. And maybe you did not want to go to the mall when you were young because you had other interests or you did not hang out with the "in-crowd"....who knows. It's not ridiculous to want to have fun with your friends before you go to the movies. The environment is not that bad. It is a mall and I don't just drop her off. I pay attention to what is going on. And because she's intelligent and does well in school DOES mean she will probably stay out of trouble because she has good decision making skills because she comes from a GOOD FAMILY and is a GOOD SMART KID! Good grades are not everything but they DO help define a person. But you would not know that yet because you still have a lot to learn about all of this. I don't fault you. I had to learn it too. But don't preach to us WHO LIVE IT when you don't and don't know. You just work there!

My kid is not perfect..heck no kid is. But you know what, I think she is one that you would want to come in to YOUR store. She will act right, have respect, and use manners.

You said this...So if it's the social thing to do meth and she "begged" you to let her do it, you would? COME ON! HOW OLD DID YOU SAY YOU ARE? GROW UP! I left my comment here earlier to let people know that good kids are going to be affected and my money will not be going to the mall anymore. And I am not THE ONLY ONE!

I had to respond to someone so irresponsible to say that I would let my kid do METH....how crazy are you. Anyway Abilene...our kids go to the mall for reasons just like you do. They go to shop, spend money, eat at restaurants, and go to the movies. Don't take away their rights because of a FEW!

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ajsd - I am not one of those parents who drops their kid at the mall. But I am mad. I am mad that my son, who does not hang at the mall to harrass people or cause a ruckus, is being banned. He goes to the mall to spend money - money he earned from working a part time job. He goes out there with a purpose - movies, eating, buying clothes. But he cannot do that on weekend evenings anymore because the mall refuses to deal with the problem kids. Their solution to just to ban them all. Well, if my son is not good enough for them to be there when it is convenient for him (he does work, go to school and participates in sports) then he will not go at all. He will just spend his money elsewhere.

If the mall is going to be checking ID's anyway, then just check them against a 'banned' list of kids. QUIT lumping all teens into one group.

Posted by littleknownfact on October 8, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a band at the mall? Cool!

Just kidding. Couldn't resist.

This is a dumb rule. I've never ever stepped foot into Aripostle (or whatever it's called), Hollister, that skimpty t-shirt swimsuit place, or the new sporting goods store. Who goes to those stores if not almost middle aged women? Teenagers. When do teenagers have the time or inclination to visit the mall? Weekends. They don't get up on Saturday until noon or one o'clock, so heading over there before 5 is unlikely. Is a 16 yr old considered to be accompanied by an adult of her 18 yr old brother is hanging out at Best Buy while she's at VS?

It will be very interesting to see how this works out. Good luck MOA. I think you are going to need it.

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm responding because I feel people like you have a distorted view of what's actually happening on the weekends. Just because I don't have a teenager doesn't mean that I don't LIVE IT. I see it every weekend. Kids getting thrown out and arrested for drugs, shoplifting, fighting, etc. Good kids. I never once said all kids are bad either. I know many that are. My sister-in-law is a good kid but still isn't allowed to go to the mall without supervision. That's in a much better area and mall than we have here too. Also, you call me irresponsible however YOU are the irresponsible one. I NEVER said you would let your child do meth. I was simply pointing out that you shouldn't let your child do something because they "begged" you to let them do it or that it was "the social thing to do".

If it were just "because of a FEW!", there wouldn't be a problem. However, if you knew at all to what extent the mall has actually tried to avoid implementing this program, you might know HALF of what was actually going on. When you have half a dozen or so kids being arrested EVERY weekend (normally NOT the same kids from week to week, meaning NOT a few), there is a much larger problem.

Posted by littleknownfact on October 8, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just read some of the other comments and want to clarify my position.

I didn't realize that a parent would drop a 13 yr old girl off at the mall for 4 or 5 hours (5:00 until a 7:30 movie is over). I have a 13 yr old BOY and just have allowed him to be in Gamestop while I'm in the bookstore for a few minutes.

That's crazy! Do you people not watch the news??! I think a 16 or 17 year old who can drive should be allowed in the mall to shop.

Posted by SYLVIASWEETY on October 8, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Mall has come up with these rules for a reason. Those of you who are so defensive need to go to the Mall during those hours and see what the atmosphere is like. Maybe if more parents were around there wouldn't be the need for these rules. The cursing, horseplay and other ongoings have caused people to stay away from the Mall or to go at different times. So, if they have had to make changes in their shopping habits shouldn't the kids also have to make the some changes. I am not saying that every parent uses the Mall as a babysitter but the ones that do are enough. The things these kids/teens do when their parents aren't around are enough to make anyones jaw drop. I don't think that there is a magic age for a kid/teen to be left unsupervised but we all know what kinda kids we have. Heck, some adults shouldn't be left unsupervised either.

Bottem line is rules and laws are generally made for a reason. When "No shoes, no shirt, no service" came out, I'm pretty sure there were protesters then too. Free speech is a wonderful thing, huh.

Posted by Bluethunder on October 8, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yesss!!!!! finally the mall management has done something for the good of the businesses there.. Im sure a majority of the shoplifters are unsupervised brats.. most of the trouble there is caused by unsupervised brats... oh and the last two large fights ( near riots) there were by, you guessed it... unsupervised brats..

Posted by jjdavis81 on October 8, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

littleknownfact, you would be amazed at how many parents leave their children here unattended. I've overheard children as young as 12 talking to friends, telling them that their Mom dropped them off and will be back to pick them up at 9.

Posted by littleknownfact on October 8, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, jj, I guess I would be amazed. The liability for the mall for that is scary. What would that mother do if that child was molested while she was at the mall half the night by herself (those other little girls excluded from consideration)? Would she sue the mall for failure to protect her daughter while she was warming the Lazyboy at home?

For the sake of the younger kids, this is a good rule. However, reconsidering the age limit would be hard unless they would require any kid unattended without a driver's license to stay out.

Posted by bigalluvsu on October 8, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblah:
I like Victoria's Secret also; but I know young people steal more than panties. I'm sure the mall administrators have implemented this policy for stop loss prevention. Sorry. They are thieves. Not panties either!

Posted by fishkiler on October 8, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe the kids can hire 18 year olds to escort them around the mall..

and to the poster that said "Abilene has a Mall?"

thats funny...

Cause it doesn't....

Posted by littleknownfact on October 8, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does the rule say it has to 1 adult/ 1 child, because I think this would be a good business. I could charge $10 a kid for 15 or 20 kids and make some bank.

These rules need to be well-written.

Posted by rsjz4 on October 8, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fishkiler - sorry that would not work. Their rules state the guardian has to be 21.

Posted by mary_weeks2001 on October 8, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i think it funny for the mall to bann all kids under 19.
i normally dont go out at night and i would not drop my son off for hours but he is 9years old to.
primetime is expensive we went and spent over 24 dollors for a round of putt putt and go carts and 3-d rollorcoster and we had a coupon.
not good

Posted by stone on October 8, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

one bad apple spoils...

Posted by dlmjam on October 8, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think this is a great idea and now I may start going to the mall occasionally on weekend evenings. But I do believe the age should be 16 and under and let the 17 years olds come into the mall on their own. Unfortunately, I think the guardian should be 21 or older because I have seen some really immature 18 year olds over the last decade or so. And that is unfortunate because there are some 18 year olds that can handle the guardianship very well. Also, to any parent that will allow a 13 year old to go to the mall with friends without adult supervision in my mind is an irresponsible parent. And if you are wondering if I am qualified to say that....I am a 48 year old father of 3 daughters that are 21, 19 and 4.

Posted by gabbyelle79 on October 8, 2008 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thank goodness.
i finally wont have to sit there and wonder if the kids standing in front of the store i work in are ever going to freaking move! if you want to socialize go home and talk on the couch or something, not in the mall where alls your doing is annoying people. just this past weekend i saw some girl doing cartwheels in the hallways in front of her friends and some boys she was with (seriously? go home) she obviously had nothing better to do. and im sick of 5,6,7, and 8th graders coming in the store picking things up, throwing things, messing things up, its annoying. im not their mom or their babysitter, im not going to have them destroy everything. so im happy, i've been waiting for this to pass for a while now.

Posted by ptowiayvnwuclw on October 8, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey gaiz what's going on in this bulletin?

I support these communists. It'll make working a lot easier for the mall employees. They should have more rights in a free market.

Posted by whatuthink on October 8, 2008 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

littleknownfact- on KTXS they said 1 adult 21 or older could only supervise 4 kids. I think a better policy would be to lower the age to 16 and enact a no loitering. A lot of malls have a rule banning groups of teens that are just hanging out, but still allow teens that are shopping the right too.

Posted by ahs98 on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a mother of young children...and was a teenager myself in abilene. I now live in the chicagoland area (not chicago...but close). anyhow, I understand why the mall has imposed the new rules. yes, when kids are bored the cool thing to do is go hang at the mall. as teenagers, we think its cool and no parents around and we can do and say what we want. we don't care what "old" people think. we just wanna go and have fun...even if it means pissing off the stores cause we run in and out and mess everything up....even break stuff and run.

my husband and myself do no like going to the malls with our young children for the simple fact of the young kids hanging out...cause we know what they are up to and doing cause we did it ourselves. My children do not need to see kids fondeling each other....skimpy dressed girls (trust me parents..your daughters may leave the house dressed presentably....but once they are out of your site, they change their clothes!!!!), the cursing, the running, the drugs, the lack of respect.

So kudos to the mall of abilene. Not only will this regenerate business from family's who enjoy going to teh mall for a family outing, but it will also get parents to be a bit more involved with those kids who just wanna hang with their friends. I agree...take the blinders off and see the bigger picture. if you don't believe me...i knew a guy whose parent's thought he was the best son in the world and didn't do a darn thing wrong, but otu of their site....it was a different story!!!!!!

Posted by abideejay on October 8, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow. Hehehe...this is just the calm before the storm!

Ok. I work part-time at the mall, and I work in one of those 'trendy' clothing stores. I'm in my 30's. I work there because the manager is a good friend of mine. Regardless of any of those reasons, I tend to avoid the mall at all costs on Friday nights unless I'm working. The kids come into my store, touch everything on the tables and shelves, buy nothing, and leave. We then have to undo whatever damage they've done. True, it's our job to keep the store clean and presentable, however when there's a large group of them, we have to stop whatever we're doing to watch them and make sure they aren't up to something they shouldn't be. On the flip side, we have several regular customers under the age of 18 who are polite and respectful. They come in, shop for clothes, buy their clothes, say please and thank you. Sadly, they are few and far between. The ones that cause trouble are the ones that are using the mall as 'something to do' because they're bored. Maybe this will work, but only time will tell. Abilene is it's own unique community. It's not Dallas, it's not Colorado, it's not anywhere else but Abilene. We'll see how this goes and how many people boycott the mall. And for the poster that suggested civil disobedience?? Dude, it's the mall. Get over it.

Posted by JayWalton on October 8, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think its great. Now if the mall would only address the dang early morning mall walkers. You know the older people who walk the inner perimeter of the mall. The are dang near running and will not yield the right of way. And I swear everytime I get behind one they must have eaten mexican food for supper and a bran muffin for breakfast. I mean the exhaust fumes off some of them old "tailpipes" will peal paint. Maybe thats why they come walk so much. To get the gas out. But I would rather smell that all morning and have peace and quiet Friday and Saturday evening.

Go Mall of Abilene....... At 5 pm on Friday will there be an announcment? "attention mall shoppers, please locate your mini-gangsters and keep them at your side until you