Posted by Fallaway613 on May 16, 2008 at 12:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That is so sad that Yisrayl Hawkins will teach his people to LIE rather than admit the truth of his own beliefs and teachings. He expects to look innocent. That makes him look even worse. Stand up for what you believe in a teach you coward.

It makes these women look like fornicators and adulterers but I guess as long as he doesn't get in legal trouble it is perfectly okay to make these women suffer reproaches. I guess that is for righteousness sake too. Yisrayl, you are one sex crazed, selfish and unholy man.

Posted by TheXMember on May 16, 2008 at 2:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fallaway613,

I dig your name.

I remember him telling us to lie. The whole morality of that place was off. People would be scared to say "good", but would say "s---" or "f---" freely.

All organizations are a reflection of whoever is at the top of the organization.

Posted by Hotsauce on May 16, 2008 at 4:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

--Fallaway613--
Everything you said is exactly right! Yisrayl Hawkins is a coward for not standing up for what he teaches, and then he expects us to lie about everything: food storage, food stamps, who the father of our babies are, weapons storage, taxes, who's married to who. These elders use the F word, and other bad language, but worse than that are the xxx rated, foul mouth sermons our children must listen to. Yaaqov has some of these tapes on his website.

http://www.skipstanley.com/sermon_tap...

What I am really concerned about is the people who have been murdered in our group. These deaths need investigated.

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 16, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It was interesting that back in 1990 YH announced that there have been very few deaths in the HOY and how we were such a blessed congregation. Healings were taking place and people were truly protected, he would tell us.
Then after we moved to the new sanctuary back in 1991, that all changed. More and more people were dying and many were becoming widows. More men than women died. That is another thing I had noticed and began to wonder, what is going on. I thought we were a healed and protected people?? I know some died of old age, but many seemed to get sick and die, or they had accidents. It did seem strange, especially all of a sudden.

Posted by stand1864 on May 16, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I want to thank those members and former members of Buffalo Bill's cult who have had the courage to speak out against him and his associates who are involved in criminal activity.
This dangerous man should have been stopped long ago, before his cult became so widespread. He is a dangerous lunatic, in my opinion. The man should not be out on bail, how foolish is that? Keep him and his fellow rapists and murderers in jail while awaiting trial, get a warrant,and let ATF, SWAT, and Feds in there and get the evidence they need to put an end to it!

Posted by SmartWoman on May 16, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe that even though anyone may say what he feels or believes, its up to the individual to determine what is right or wrong. I believe that the women who are willing to submit to this kind of life have their own right and ARE REALLY STUPID. You can't blame anyone for your own STUPIDITY! GET A BRAIN!

Posted by SmartWoman on May 16, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why would you blame someone else for your OWN STUPIDITY? To bad there isn't a medication to fix STUPID.

Posted by akdaniels04 on May 16, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel really bad for these people. They are being brain-washed into thinking these things are acceptable by God. I hope the more they are in the mainstream media, the more the FEDS will look into this cult and put an end to it.

Posted by TheXMember on May 16, 2008 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm TheXMember and I'm a recovering stupid-aholic.

SmartWoman you would be shocked at how mentally sharp some of those people are.

The truth is, it's highly likely that if we studied your beliefs under a microscope, we'd probably find some kind of opening that a charismatic person could exploit. It's just the way most people are.

But at the same time I get your point. You can't blame anyone else for your own stupidity.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...Well,...I have to say...even I agree with some of the statements recently made...you can't blame people for thier stupidity. After all what is stupidity? Isn't it the reliance on misinformation and conjecture? Grasping on to, and acting on the belief of ones own interpretation, and "misunderstanding" of a matter. I am very joyious that I am able to observe this whole situation as it unfolds. We will all see very shortly where this is going...and, how this issue will effect us all in the coming days and weeks to come! May Father Yahweh be glorified through His House! Shalom!

Posted by Mellonello on May 16, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

xmember, its to bad those who follow bill hawkins didnt take the time to find out who he really is and was before he became a so called witness. He is still practicing what he always has, only under the guise of GOD. No one should follow anyone blindly. God told us to practice discernment in all things. To many people just jump on the band wagon of some OLD pervert that sounds good.

Posted by stand1864 on May 16, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep talking, grizzelybill. The evil which posses you might as well be glowing neon and blaring sirens, it is that obvious. God is far more powerful than the evil you use to fulfill your own selfish perversions. God has a message for you: You are being played, Bill. Satan is using you as his puppet.

Posted by TheXMember on May 16, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Stand1864,

GrizzleyBill isn't evil or selfish...actually quite the opposite. All those people really really really want to do what's right. They bend over backwards 9 times and perform all kinds of humiliating rituals because they want desperately to do what's right....but they've been tricked into thinking they've found the one and only way...but I think to some degree all religious groups have that symptom...it's just most of them don't take it such a dysfunctional anti-social extreme…and that’s also why this group needs to be disbanded.

It's just a very unfortunate situation that plays itself out over and over again. I think it's probably because of the lack of the proper education about our behavioral tendencies and how they developed over the years, and also because of the continued reliance that man has on superstition.

Posted by Mellonello on May 16, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

im thinking grizzlybill is bill hawkins but i could be wrong

Posted by stand1864 on May 16, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is the impression I got, Mellonelo. If Buffalo Bill seems to be just a kind and harmless man, it is nothing but an act he puts on to try to fool people. All predators have some kind of a hook. Feigned generosity and concren for others is his. That man is as harmless as a rattlesnake!

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 16, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Or GrizzleyBill could be one of his minions. Whoever he is, he needs to open his eyes and be quiet and listen to his inner concious, if he has one.

May Our Heavenly Father have all the glorify through His Son! Peace! (After all doesn't peace mean the same thing in English?

Posted by TheXMember on May 16, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grilleybill is just one of Buffalo Bill's followers...and yeah, I agree Buffalo Bill is far from harmless. He needs to be put in a position to where he can't mess with people’s minds.

Posted by Mellonello on May 16, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

grizzlybill doesnt mess with my mind, idioits usually dont!

Posted by TheXMember on May 16, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, I'm saying Buffalo Bill (Yisrayl Hawkins) messes with people's minds.

Grizzleybill isn't messin' with anyones mind, not here anyway.

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 16, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, so GB could be YH, or just a minion, but someone who is called GB, probably lives alone in a hut, on a mountain side, by himself, and he sees solitude at the HOH and decides this is just like I have here, only other people around doing the same thing. I dont have to socialize, I dont have to fellowship, I can save and buy a woman if I want one or I can stay as I am a grizzly bill mountain man. At least if he ever needs help, he can put in a work order, wait three days for help to arrive. If it is urgent, and I hope not, he may end up like the woman who bled to death or the little girl operated on.

Posted by kepowe on May 16, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mellonello, I was thinking the very same thing. Reason being...Grizzlybill refered to me in an earlier post, as "my friend" and that is what Yisrayl calls me when he comes into the store in Clyde. Funny how he says that, then places his money onto the counter for me to pick up, then I have to place his change on the counter, for him to pick up. If you think about it though, Yisrayl is not as eloquent in "conversing" as Grizzlybill is.
Yisrayl can't even pronounce "Deuteronomy". lol He says "Deuteromody". Ever notice that?
Could be the same though. Hmmmmm.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...Oh contrare' Mellonello,...LOOK INTO MY EYES...YOUR GETTING SLEEPY...SLEEPY...SLEEPIER....(LOL) JUST KIDDING!
Before The House of Yahweh, my friend...satan was using us ALL AS PUPPETS!
Hey guys, I am not Pastor Yisrayl Hawkins!!!This HONOR,... is far from my duty! Father Yahweh has already chosen HIS Witness!!! The Prophecies are already set in motion for this time period...trust those words!!! and if you can't yet grasp my words...then consider this...
Just within the last few hours...not even days...we have various people on this site...claiming that there are...unsolved murders, and rapes, that have taken place at THOY, and...it's mind bogling...I mean...come on you guys, where do you get this "stuff"! Hotstuff...in "our group"..???? Why are YOU STILL THERE!!!!!!!!!!!! If you have PROOF...BRING FORTH YOUR WITNESSES!!!!!
Stand1864,
What a relief that you have "enlightened" us with your "solution"...yea,...lets bring in the Feds, and ATF...oh..and the ARMY, NAVY, AIRFORCE, and the MARINES to help us fight these "convicted" poligomist,rapist,...and lets not forget MURDERERS...thank you SO MUCH for your calm, and concise analagy of the situation!
Brother and sisters...can't we all see that this matter is not in our hands to decide the fate of anyone involved! Why do we still judge those who are being tried for "Thier" faith...?
Would we want the same for each of us...if we were accused of some crime...and we were not yet convicted? I should think not! The truth will come out in the end...you know that it will...the stakes are the highest they have ever been in this earth's history. Just...watch...and pray always that you are accounted as worthy to escape those things which WILL come upon those who seek after righteousness. Love...true love to all who seek YAHWEH! Shalom.

Posted by Hotsauce on May 16, 2008 at 6:05 p.m.

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Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm checking something out...I am writing this at...6:51 pm...just for the record.
Kepowe, (that had nothing to do with you sincerely...Praise Yahweh!)
Shalom Kepowe,
As I am not your head...(under the 613 Laws of Yahweh) I will not address anything specific you might ask me personally...however...since you stated it in an open forum...I will simply commment like this,...Do you remember your first calling? Do you recall the joy in your heart, when you first knew, that Yahweh...was not a GOD...do you? Have you forgotten that joy? Did your heart lie to you? It has before...but to this knowledge...?
And what of the Sabbath...did you know before? Who told you of this? Unclean food? Laws of purity...to make you acceptable before Father Yahweh! The peace you let melt into your very being...Kepowe! I know you still remember. Why do you...loved one of Yahweh...let all this slip ....so easily away? Grizzley613@yahoo.com

Posted by TheXMember on May 16, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I actually agree with grizzleybill on one point...people are saying that all kinds of murders have taken place because of HOY. That's not true. People have died because of neglect, but not because of out right intentional murder. That’s not their thang; that’s not how they get down.

But grizzleybill, there are witnesses to a whole bunch of crimes that Hawkins has committed (polygamy, welfare fraud, child labor, etc...).

He's not being tried for his faith; he's being tried for criminal activities...the fact that he has a kooky authoritarian faith is not going to be on trial.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotsauce,
before you continue to speak any further... as if...you have some first hand knowledge...I might remind you ...(and I use the words gritting my teeth...brother Hotsauce...)there are those at this site, who know what you say are at the least...questionable. Why do I say this to you? Well... check this out! You mean to tell us here, before those who are seeking Yahweh, that you actually observed an elder, rape a woman, girl, female, in your presence... and did nothing to prevent this from occuring? While far be it from me to hold that against you,...but were you an elder?...who had some special privaledge...to witness this..."secrect ceremony"...as has been allledged? If I am misunderstanding you "brother Hotsauce" then please...inform me of my incorrect interpretation of "YOUR" statements of "Facts"!
You may have well been at THOY...I will concede that...I can't say otherwise. You may have observed things which those outside THOY, have no firsthand knowledge of...thats true. However, whatever your name is...you saw NOTHING...first hand, as to what you now put forth here for me to believe as truth, and what you are seeking to do here to others seeking the same...so, I would merely find a "Bible"...my friend...and study....as that is the best thing that you can do...with your spare time!! Shalom.
Grizzley613@yahoo.com

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Houston Chronicle Article: http://www.skipstanley.com/houston_ch...

"Edgin then returned to his home in Goose Creek, S.C., which is near the town where the combat instructor lives. A few weeks later Edgin was found beaten to death in his house trailer.
""All we know is that no instrument was used on him, only hands and feet," said Plitsch. ""And we'd like to talk to this former Navy Seal."

Abilene Reporter News Article/and above also: http://www.skipstanley.com/killings.htm

"Richardson said his next step was to contact the FBI with information about the sect, including the unsolved murder of a reported one-time Yahweh follower four years ago in South Carolina."

Xmember: You did NOT live in Abilene or Clyde Texas. Unless one lives there, they are not in "the know" about ALOT that goes on behind closed doors.

Much MORE needs to be UNCOVERED-Just as FINALLY all this food stamp and welfare FRAUD and raping of girls/children/underage so that they were "forced" to marry is only now coming to LIGHT.

We do not know the tip of the big iceberg, and it is only beginning to melt.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh, did I forget to mention, david richardson was also found dead, a few years later in his apt in abilene.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Truth_is_out,
...Put in a "work order"...(laughing...but in a nice way, TIO...) come on now...you mean to say, as Yisrayl's "minion", I should have to wait!!!
I am however, somewhat amazed at your clear, and acurate discription of my present living conditions!!! (except for the..."hut"...statement). I do live in a camper, a very nice and clean one, (when it's possible) and I share it with...are you all ready for this...with my dog...GRIZZLEY!
Yep, thats right...one 137 lb. chow and rottwieller mix. Who, also by the way, has been taught to know the Name of Yahweh! Thats a fact!!! ( There will be undefiled animals brought into the coming Kingdom)! As to your...my "saving for a bride" statement goes...I really havn't given that...too much thought...as there are more...current, more pressing matters to attend to. But you will soon see, and understand that...if you watch! Shalom in Yahshua!

Posted by ElJaws on May 16, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why don't you guys take it to AbileneForums.com where they have an actual Yahweh thread and quit hogging this space.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 16, 2008 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did everyone get what grizzleybill said about the elders WATCH young women being raped because they have a "special privledge" to witness this "special ceremony"?

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 16, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ElJaws:

Isn't this "space" for the replies associated with this article?

Posted by yh613 on May 16, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just hope justice will come, for all those whose lives have been destroyed by that house.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ElJaws,
...Sorry I yak guys...will move on. True love in Yahshua. Shalom! (Peace!)

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Setfreebythetruth,
....But before I go...If you had read my comments, in responce to "Jennieevelyn"...you would have concluded that I was being sarcastic in responce to her opinion. That is all! If you make anything more out of my statements...I can only conclude, you simply can't read beyond a single blog! Go back and check out all that was said, before you put your opinion into this forum. Thanks!

Posted by Hotsauce on May 16, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a close and long term friend of Kepha, I have had many conversations with him about what he did, and his opinion is it was not a sin if he marries the girl. This is the same thing Yedidiyah said about Rachyl to me as well. They BOTH confess to me what they did. I have been a member of the House for about 20 years. YES I have proof enough these thing did in fact occur.

Grizzleybill you are not well informed on the foundation of our group. I was here before we moved to Eula, and I helped build the sanctuary we are in now. This group was a very peaceful and free group back in the 80's. Why will Yisrayl not allow Yaaqov to come to services? What kind of people are we that we fear Yaaqov/Skip so much? If you stand for truth, and do not sin, then you have nothing to fear. Yisrayl Hawkins, hides when asked to give answers. That is why you are here on ARN answering, instead of Yisrayl. Our leader is a coward, and full of guilt.

Nothing is done outside Yahweh's Perfect Will. The investigations into the crimes at HOY are Yahweh's Will. King David Murdered a man, as well as many other Kings of Yahweh, so to think Yisrayl Hawkins could never do such a thing is not true.

EZE. 22:26“Her priests have done violence to My teaching h and they profane My set-apart matters. They have not distinguished between the set-apart and profane, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean. And they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I am profaned in their midst. 27“Her leaders in her midst are like wolves tearing the prey, to shed blood, to destroy lives, and to get greedy gain. 28“And her prophets have coated them with whitewash, seeing a false vision, and divining a lie for them, saying, ‘Thus said the Master Yahweh when Yahweh had not spoken. 29“The people of the land have practiced oppression, and committed robbery, and have wronged the poor and needy. And they oppressed the stranger without right-ruling. 30“And I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the breach before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it – but I did not find one!

You stated that Yahweh selected the Witnesses, and I believe that is true. Time is too close to the end days for another two Witnesses to come forth, and fulfill prophesies told about these Two Men born from a woman’s womb. I believe Yaaqov is the other Witness and he is standing at our front gate with a battle axe in his hand bringing Judgment upon our leaders just as Yahweh said. That is what a witness does. Yaaqov is much stronger that Yisrayl could ever be.

Posted by Hotsauce on May 16, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yisrayl’s brother died in 1991, so he cannot be the witness, and he stated that he was not the witness to everyone in his letter. He also stated the witnesses would come from the House of Yahweh in his opinion. Yisrayl Hawkins fits prophesy of the wicked priest, and is a reproach to the Father, and His Name.
Isa. 43:28 "So I have profaned the chief ones of the set-apart place,
and I have delivered up Yaaqov to the curse, and Yisrayl to reproaches."

Isa. 44: 5 I belong to Yahweh, another calls himself by the name of Yaaqov; another writes with his hand, ‘Unto Yahweh, and names himself by the name of Yisrayl.

The Dead Sea Scrolls 1QpHab
The translation of The Pesher to Habakkuk
8:8 Peshru about the wicked priest who
9. is called by the name of "The Truth" He stands in prayer while watching
10. over Israel. His heart is lifted up yet he abandons Yahweh and uses treachery by their laws for the sake of
11. wealth.

9:5. The final (end time) ones who gather up wealth and take a cut from the spoils from the peoples
6. and for the "Last Days"
9. Peshru about the "Wicked Priest" who (is given) into the hand of The Teacher
10.of Righteousness and the men of his council.
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These prophesies are for us today, and we need to understand them clearly. There is another Witness “Yaaqov” and he is standing at our front gate.

Posted by texmade2 on May 16, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Religion is a money making business. Nothing else. Fear based mind control for the massess who believe that they are too stupid to think for themselves and are happily content to proclaim their ignorance.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"But you will soon see, and understand that...if you watch!" ..I suppose GrizzleyBill is speaking of the fact that Yisrayl Hawkins will be on going to be on Nancy Grace Tuesday
5/20/08, from 8 to 10. He will be answering calls from viewers.

He will do his usual double talk- pull a clinton technicality "I did not have relations with that girl". Interpreted: I only used a turkey baster.

"I am only married to one woman."
Interpreted: Legally, one, on paper of the State.

etc..etc..poor grizzley bill, you have forgotten there is only ONE who died for your sins, only ONE to be worshipped.

i will pray for your tender heart,as i see the simplicity of earnestness in it, and do know you will have an awakening soon.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotsauce= Yaaqov= Skip Stanley

All three are the same...someone who wants YH's job.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

really, you think so setfreebythetruth?..why in the world would anyone want to EMULATE a LIAR?

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Info I was told was that YH had a vasectomy years ago and had ask his elders to take his place with his wives to have children for him.

If this is so, then maybe he didn't father these children. Maybe, this is why he told his elders to leave the country. Maybe this is why one of them is in the Phillipines...and who knows where the others are.

If not why wouldn't they still be there ready to face DNA testing to prove who their children belong to just as the FLDS fathers have done.

Hmmmm...something to think about involving this case pertaining to more than just their scriptural beliefs.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the LIAR being Yisrayl Buffalo Hawkins..

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...? Still listening. But...it is Sabbath...so...Shaboth Shalom.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do believe the one who was in the phillipines is now in jeruselem now, that is the latest.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

grizzley dear, you are going to exchange buffalo money on sabbath, yet you cannot be on a forum discussing scriptures on sabbath?..

take care then, peaceful sabbath to you.

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It doesn't appear that skip stanley would want YH job, all I see from his website, is that he wants to truly HELP the people see the evil that Yisrayl Hawkins has done: telling people it is fine to lie to the food stamp office, etc..And I know of some people that he has helped, truly helped--not just lip service.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If anyone deires to worship on the Sabbath...as I am not yet in Abeline...my e-mail is Grizzley613@yahoo.com...this goes out for a reason, and more so...to the Glory of YAHWEH! This is only to discuss the 613 Laws of Yahweh! Shabot Shalom!

Posted by grizzleybill on May 16, 2008 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth,
As I "assume"you are female...please correct me if I am wrong, (wouldn't be the first time today)...I am not YOUR head, so, in light of that, I can only respond as such...see Above this post...(you see it) I am not in Abeline...as yet...but pray to be soon. I will not be exchanging any "buffalo money" as you stated...and have yet to discuss ANY scriptures on this post site! Discussions on the current affairs as it relates to THOY...but no one has yet to discuss scriptures. Still waiting!

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 16, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Neh 10:31: And [if] the people of the land bring ware or any victuals on the sabbath day to sell, [that] we would not buy it of them on the sabbath, or on the holy day: and [that] we would leave the seventh year, and the exaction of every debt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hECEC-...

There you go, grizzley.
Peace.

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 16, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OH GB, but you will. You will either exchange buffalo money for food on the Sabbath or you will sign a pledge for the food, like a Visa card to pay within a week. A coffee, a water, a soda, whatever, you will pay. The only way you will not is to take care of your own needs on the prep day and be ready for the Sabbath. You will also work. You will do the work of Yahweh, as YH calls it and you will like it. If you do not you will go to the lake of fire. You will not rest, you will not nap. That is the way YH interprets the Sabbath Day, and all must live by it out there. Cafeteria is in full swing on the Sabbath and they cook food from scratch as well.

I am glad I figured out how you live. And because of your lifestyle, you will enjoy camping all the time instead of having a regular home. (nothing wrong with how you live by the way, it is your choice) And by the way you are not allowed to work on your own camper on the HOH grounds. You must place a 'work order' and pay for repairs. That is the law of hawkins. and you laughed, too. So much you don't know about.

Posted by letthetruthcomeout on May 16, 2008 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To the ones who think GB is YH.. hahah,,, I have to say as an X Member of the hoy,, They all sound the same its text book,, MIND CONTROL, They lost their individualality for one purpose to server the perpetrator, its really no different from abuse of a violent mate, ex: husband beating his wife, and she wont leave,, they are in an abusive relationship, scared to leave, cant think for themselves and do what they are told, so as they are alllll TOLD WHAT TO DO.. The pretty much are Identical copies,, its actually quite halarious,, very easy to spot themm LOLLLL hahahha

Posted by letthetruthcomeout on May 16, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ITS NOT UNITY.. ITS THOUGHT REFORM... ALOT OF CULTS USE THE EXACT SAME TECHNIQUE OR THEY WOULD HAVE NO FOLLOWERS.. ITS A SEX SEXIST ABUSIVE DESTRUCTIVE CULT,, THEY ARE SO BLIND THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE.. ITS BURIED.

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 16, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This was wrote on http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/bl...

I lost my best friend to the house of yahweh almost 10 years ago now. I wonder if any of you know him. He moved to the texas compound 1997-ish with his family (mother, older brother, younger sister…his father and older sister were having NO part of it) to begin preparing for “the end” aka the year 2000. They are an african family from Canada (london, ont. to be exact). His name is (or was) Kwame, his brother is Nana. If anyone knows them I BEG you to let me know they’re okay.
Kwame started off commuting to Detroit to meet with others from “the house” as he referred to it, for gatherings and what-not (please excuse my ignorance, not quite sure what to call it). He then made the move to texas. He actually made small attempts to involve me, inviting me to detroit, even texas, with him. He gave me literature to read but explained that if I read this material, and enlightened myself but still chose not to follow yahweh, I would burn in hell…I was very interested in learning more about this “cult” I felt had a grip on my (very intelligent, by the way) friend. Yet, strangely enough, even though I believe not a word that comes out of any of these people’s mouths, I was scared and NEVER read one word form any of the pamphlets he gave me for fear this COULD be true, and what if it was??? I’m a very strong willed, intelligent woman, always have been, so I never fell into the trap…but just that fleeting moment of fear in my heart was enough to make me see how someone could easily be lured in, especially if you are being taught the ways of the house of yahweh by someone you already know and trust.
I was broken hearted when they left, it was like they had died because we never ever heard from or saw them again. I spoke to his older sister a few weeks ago and brought the boys up in discussion, wondering if she had heard from them (hoping). She said she hadnt but she felt that us running into each other was a sign, of what we did not know. I felt a strong sense of peace after speaking with her…

Someone wrote and is looking for this person, does anyone know of him or his wear-abouts?

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 16, 2008 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know people who come out of the HOH and they cannot think for themselves. They do things they would never normally do and can't explain why. They are fast to do what people suggest without thinking and then when things go wrong they blaim whoever told them the idea. Crazy, huh? Well, not really. It is how they have been programmed and while they were in their most of the orders they recieved worked out, but that was because it was all geared to carbon copy lifestyles each was living. Now when someone leaves they have a real hard time thinking for themselves and making quality decisions. That is what brainwashing will do to a person.

Posted by texmade2 on May 17, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 17, 2008 at 1:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy...

Posted by Yisraylisaconman on May 17, 2008 at 4:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The judge's secretary is sneaking around with the attorney, John Young, while he defends a polgamist and an accused child sex offender. WTF? Maybe Young is more than Yisrayl's attorney and he is a secret member.

Posted by letthetruthcomeout on May 17, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I doubt that, Members have to have a beard according to the law.. He is not a member, Hes just getting paid alot of money, any attorney who defends a criminal will defend the criminal for money.. its just publicity and money LOL hahha... Hes not a member at all

Posted by letthetruthcomeout on May 17, 2008 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the DA should get DNA TESTING on all the childeren YH has like over 40 kids.. and many of the multible marriage elders too.. DNA testing Shane !! that would narrow it down dont Ya Think, and the poisonings.. anys Class Actions because if so I want in on it!! LOL

Posted by Yisraylisaconman on May 17, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Letthetruthcomeout,
Not having a beard doesn't mean they are not a member. What better way to disguise one's self than to appear not to be a member?

This man is lying to protect the HOY. I know for a fact he is lying because he got on the news and said the HOY doesn't practice polygamy. I know it is true that they do. I am not speculating. I know! That is what the members are taught to do. They lie to protect the pastor and the kahans/elders/priest. John Young is following the doctrine of the HOY by lying to protect them. That doesn't even include the other aspects of his life that fall inline with the doctrine taught at the HOY. Secrets often come out between the sheets.

Posted by letthetruthcomeout on May 17, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I know for a fact he is not a member as Yisrayl deliberately highered a man in the world.. and it doesnt matter, They do wear a beard regardless of work.. they will not break that law.. now they will lie,, but most lawyers duh lie or are not aware of the real truth, I would say Yisrayl lied to him,, personally

Posted by letthetruthcomeout on May 17, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PS,- LIEING FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE HOUSE OF YAHWEH is a law to them

Just like WEARING A BEARD- IS A LAW TOO

so .. just because hes lieing by omission doesnt make him a member.

otherwise everyone in this world would be one.

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 17, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is true letthetruthcomeout, and it was a doctrine I had a hard time with, since I read liars had no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. His lawyer is not a member, just someone who is earning his legal living. I think it won't be long he will be telling YH to play, lets make a deal with Deel!

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 17, 2008 at 11:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

About the mind control, when we left the HOY, I was having a LOT of really bad dreams, I would wake myself up screaming. I went and talked to a psycologist, and she told me that when people are in CULTS, such as the HOY, that the leaders of these groups, usually use subliminal messages to "brainwash" the group. I really believe that this is what the HOY practices. You know, the playing of soft music when he is preaching, you can't hear it, but your subconcious does.

Posted by weeman on May 18, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sounds like you guys should get a support group together...maybe get each others email and go out to dinner or something instead of keeping this post going.....after all, you three or four are the only ones posting on this thread now....getting old.....

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 18, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.woai.com/content/news/beam...

four parts to this, please watch..

Posted by robertwp on May 19, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It looks like this thing is about to blow, doesn't it?

Posted by wbarloww on May 19, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not defending Hawkins, but I just find this interesting from the article is this line:

The affidavit also claims Hawkins is listed in state records as the father of two children born in 2007 to different women.

So if they are going to arrest him with this as evidence, how many other guys are going to get arrested? LOL

Posted by TheXMember on May 19, 2008 at 3:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wbarloww,
That's a fairly decent point.

But, the paragraph right before that one said that one of his wives was claiming that he had 30+ other wives. That's a crime.

What you pointed out was just additional evidence...not the only evidence.

In my opinion they're letting him off light because he's involved in slavery and the buying and selling of people.

I'm sure any recent fellow former member would confirm that to be true.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 19, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TO: allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth

What was it you said about Skip/ Yaaqovh?

Check this out!

FROM:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ya...

I recently received this email, and it is a common reply I receive. I
feel it seems to be the views of lots of people. I have taken out the
personal names, and some personal information, so I could share it
with you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Yaaqov

I commend you for trying to help people get out of the HOY. I left
years ago after my family member died. Don't try to take over the
HOY. SHUT IT DOWN!! It doesn't need to go on anymore. It is all a
lie. These people need their lives back. They don't need to be
plunged right back into a 'religion'. That is why people aren't
staying in the state when they leave. They want nothing of another
yahweh 'religion'. MY family is still there. We want them home! The
last we heard one of them had become an elder. Sadly, that plunges
them in deeper. They are good and caring people inside. You are wrong
in wanting to take over HOY even if you would try to make it better
and fair. Let the 'religion' die! If you really put forth the effort
to help people get out of there, karma will pay you back 1000 fold.
Do good by these people. don't feed them a different version of hoy!

I back you in helping people get free but not in keeping HOY going!

End of message

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 19, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is his reply:

Peace to you

Thank you for writing. I would like nothing more than
completely shutting down the House of Yahweh, and locking the gates.
I have counseled with many, many others about this very subject, and
even Sheriff Eddie Curtis believes after YH is gone the group will
not get shut down. Our belief is someone will take over the group,
and it will only get worse. David Koresh was trapped in their
building, and burned alive. The Jim Jones group was shut down by
committing suicide. This group will survive, because their beliefs
are very strong, and there are too many of them. Many have left only
to quit believing altogether, or went into another group like the
Assemblies of Yahweh, and they are getting to be just like HOY. This
is why I decided to change my name to Yaaqov, in order to take
control over the group. These people turn against their families
believing YH is the witness, and do everything he tells them to do
with fear, because he is "The Witness of YHWH" in their eyes, so they
fear to question him. They need a stronger leader than YH, and this
leader needs to be one for the people, and not himself.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 19, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Am I the "Chosen One" for this job as one of "The Witnesses"? I
really have no proof I am. No God, or Heavenly Being has come to me
and told me anything. I did not ask for the job. I came here twenty
years ago to serve the Heavenly Father, learn Scriptures, and help
the people. I heard rumors about murders, but refused to listen to
them. Two years ago I found solid proof YH was murdering people that
were causing trouble who stood against him. I had a choice to make
then; either go away, so I don't get murdered too, or stand up and
fight. I chose to fight, and that meant becoming a witness against
Yisrayl Hawkins. This is when I changed my name to Yaaqov. My friends
here agreed with this decision, because it would give more power to
me in the mission of open the minds of the people inside the group.
Because now they have two witnesses who both fit into their "Idea" of
what they believe in. This has been working very well, and there is
an extreme amount of confusion inside the House of Yahweh, and many
of the people are siding with me, and turning away from YH. If I did
not change my name, these people would not be questioning their Faith
like they are doing, and would continue thinking they are persecuted
for righteousness sake, and would have no where to go.

I know what it is like to be ex-communicated from your friends and
family. I gave everything to Yisrayl Hawkins for six years 1989-
1995, and had hundreds of friends in the group. Then I bring the Dead
Sea Scrolls to YH's attention, and he excommunicated me that same
day. I sat and cried, thinking, "I know I am right, and he is wrong,
what is going on". I went from having friends, to being alone, and no
one would talk to me. I am sure most excommunicated members can
relate to this. I want to make sure this will not occur to anyone
else. Dissolving this group will just send them down the road to
another group, which has already proven it self to be just as bad. I
feel dissolving the group is not the answer. Giving them better
leadership is the answer.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 19, 2008 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not know what the Heavenly Father has planned for us, and I
really do not know what to teach the people either. I have people
already asking me to tell them how to live, and what to do. I just
tell them to study, and get involved in helping stop YH. I do not
even know what I believe. I try to keep the Laws as I understand
them, and show love to people by being forgiving. I plan to go to
Israel next year, and I need to trust that the people who are left
here will be able to trust the leaders they have, because I do not
plan on coming back to straighten out this group again.

I believe in The American Constitution, and that is what I plan to
leave here. A leadership for the people, by the people, and it's
proven to work. With this kind of leadership you will be free to
visit your family here without being a tithing member as with HOY.
What the people believe is their business, and everyone will be free
to speak their minds. This is freedom of Speech, and Religion.
Democracy is not a bad word, but controlling leaders do not like it,
because they lose their control over the people. I do have a few
changes I would make, like voting on the leadership every two years
instead of every four years.

Anyway, what ever becomes of this group, can only get better, because
it is as bad as a group could ever get right now.

Peace to you
Yaaqov

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yaaqovh...

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 19, 2008 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

interesting, i just read this:

http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/bl...

Yaaqov Says:

May 19th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
–TheXMember–

I have not been told by anyone to do what I do, in fact, many people tell me the same thing you are saying. “Stay out of it, and quit trying to change things.” Some people tell me “Yisrayl Hawkins will kill you if you continue”.

I do what I am doing, because I know it is right to stop crimes against children.

The parents asked to be involved in this “occult” The House of Yahweh. I was a member, and I have investigated the group to prove what they are doing. Most my life I have been opinionated, believing what I knew to be the “Only right way” I have studied myself out of all that. I have followed your (TheXMember) comments for about six months now, and I think you and I have very much the same attitude towards the Bible, and “Religions”. Correct me if I am wrong, I think we both feel that Religions are man made to control people. We have both studied many religions, and have realized there is more to this world than the bible.

If being Yaaqov, and The Witness will help these children, and their parents out of the controlling situation of HOY, then I am willing to do all I can do. Is it my “fantasy”? No, and Yes. I want to be someone special to The Heavenly father, but that is not why I took the name Yaaqov. I really took the name “Yaaqov”, because it would help the Parents inside the group to question who they follow, giving more power to the mission of stopping Yisrayl. Just as you stated the Righteous witness against the evil witness. However you look at it, I am still a witness against YH, and it takes Two witnesses to convict someone of the crimes done.

If we hide our ID, we are not a witness. A witness must state their name, and be an eye witness to the crimes. I am an eye witness to many of the crimes Yisrayl Hawkins has committed.

“hallucination? You’re wasting your precious time, resources and life chasing an illusion in exactly the same way that Yisrayl has wasted his life and the lives of the people that trusted him.”

Correction, I am stopping a man from murdering, and raping children, and even if I am murdered doing this, my time, and life was not wasted! If I turn away from helping these children then everything I do would be a waste of time.

Yaaqov

Posted by Melancholygrl on May 19, 2008 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I actually bought so many books from the house of Yahweh once upon a time and read. I believed in so many of the things that were being told to the people of the house as well, I even visited once with my mother and father, and I brought my daughter and my baby son with me. I have even wanted to move there because I wanted to become a part of the House of Yahweh, I still believe in Yahweh and nothing can stop that but when I started reading further into some of the laws, some of them were so brutal, such as the killing of children if they were unruly and what happens if a girl is raped, they are just married off to the person that raped them that I just couldn't read much more. A lot of those laws are unjust and unfair to my way of thinking, but I suppose it is because I wasn't conditioned to believe in such things or I didn't grow up in the middle east, one of the two. I am not criticizing anyone's way of living as we are supposed to be a free country. I am mostly confused over a lot of the motives for why a father who is supposed to love us so much would say it is okay for his children to be brutally murdered or raped but I don't know. Anyhow, I can't believe that I was going to bring my young daughter there once upon a time, I guess so she could be raped when she hits a certain age and then sold like a prostitute to some old guy swearing that he would take care of her even though he just raped her. Does that make sense to anyone?

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 19, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dear melacholygrl: Yes, what you wrote, makes alot of sense. I do believe that the attitude of a man who for example was a Elder and a Leader of the School at the hoy, in his 30's, and lusting after a 15 year old, for example, is much how you described. He wanted her, took advantage of her, by pushing himself on her, although she said no, knowing that after this act, she would have to marry him. This is exactly what did occur in one particular example I know of at hoy. Rather than admonish this Elder for his conduct, he was able to get away with it and marry her, probably because the girl's mother was married to an Elder herself, and a believer in the hoy, and felt pressure to conform to this insanity. It is bad enough for any man to do this, but to be an Elder and Principal over the hoy school [the school no longer exists now, and hasn't for years],makes it even worse. Rather than stop this mess,it only gave way to some other Elders following this same sort of "conquest". Yisrayl Hawkins is to blame. He was the one in control of these Elders,being THEIR Leader and Teacher. I do believe that there is MUCH in Scripture we have yet to understand, even the pronunciation of the Father and Messiah's name, and the importance of WHO one really worships. This is no easy task, but, if we are willing to really study and seek him with all of our hearts, we shall surely find him and truth.

1st John 4:6: We are of the Father: he that knoweth The Father heareth us; he that is not of the Father heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1st John 3:18: My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1st John 2:21: I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Trust your instincts, if something doesn't feel right, it probably isn't--the laws will be written on the hearts of the Father's true children.

I struggle still with some points you have posed, and am still studying..as at times the things that happened in the old testament, seem so contrary to true love..but I am willing to study and learn and not give up.

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 20, 2008 at 1:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think also that a good example such as the one that allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth told is this. When I was in the HOY, I recall a time that a Dad traded his own flesh and blood, 12 year old daughter to an elderly man in the HOY FOR HIS WIFE, for a piece of land, and a hand full of goats. I think that this is INSANE, she was ONLY 12 for pete sake! She was barely starting her life as a child let alone becoming a wife to some old pervert! But of course, you know, YH says it is ok, screw if it goes against the law. And with the crap with Yehdidiyah, someone in the HOY while I was there, appointed him over the YOUTH GROUP, I was part of the youth group at the time that he was over it. He was always wierd, and too friendly!

Posted by allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth on May 20, 2008 at 2:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear sorrytosteponyourtoes: This girl married this older man at that time? Are they still married, and still in hoy???

Posted by wbarloww on May 20, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TheXMember,

I know the rest of it, just injecting a little humor on that one line the old 'Distorter News' put in there when you think about what is going on in the rest of society. I mean when it comes to guys having kids with multiple women, you have other cults like that, the NBA for one. LOL

Posted by robertwp on May 20, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that the House of Yahweh’s new national news hype is a result to take the attention off of the debacle that is going on in San Angelo this week. The HOY is nothing more than a profitable business venture for Buffalo Bill Hawkins; a confirmed nut and shyster. His “religion” was an effort to keep practicing the barely legal antics that led to his “encouragement” to leave the Abilene Police department. Buffalo bill is nothing more than a clever con man that should have been taken to the hoosegow long before he was able to lure a bunch of weak-minded messiah seekers out of their money and into his trailer. After all of the evils that many of us have seen this idiot inflict on his followers, he is currently being charged with polygamy. With all of the crimes that Buffalo Bill has committed in his life, charging him with polygamy is like charging Charles Manson with impersonating a rock musician.

American adults have a recognized constitutional right to engage in any form of consensual sexual relationship with any number of adult partners. As Americans, we can live with several partners and even sire children from multiple partners, inside an arrangement or out, so long as we do not marry more than one of them. However, when we do the responsible thing and accept a legal commitment for our partners "as spouses," we are villanized and thrown in jail. We also live in a culture where people like Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Britney Spears, Donald Trump and Elizabeth Taylor become legends for their string of “one-after-the-other” spouses. Had these marriages been concurrent, they would have been thrown in jail. Does that make any sense? We currently have a presidential candidate that has admitted to having an affair with his current wife while he was still married to his former wife. We think that is just adorable just as long as we don’t find out that he “overlapped” his marriage certificates. I guess that if that became known, we would have to go with the Mormon who finished second.

Posted by robertwp on May 20, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We have a big problem when we, as a nation, take a stand against polygamy. Jewish, Muslim and Christian scripture all approve of polygamy. Martin Luther even wrote that polygamy was permissible since the Bible did not condemn it. We claim to be a nation that supports the rights of different religious groups, even if their beliefs are different from our own. When we make a big deal out of polygamy, we show our hypocrisy in a very big way.

Tom Green is an FLDS member in Utah. He had 5 or 6 wives and fathered 33 children by them. One of his wives was thirteen when he married her. This proved to be his downfall. He was convicted seven years ago of child rape and four counts of bigamy. He was released after spending six years in prison. With so many wives and kids, he probably appreciated the break. His case was the first in fifty years to launch an assault on the practice of polygamy and his conviction has set off many others, including the arrest of FLDS leader, Warren Jeffs. Ironically, Warren Jeffs’ children are being processed in the Tom Green county court house in San Angelo this week as a result of the largest polygamy case in Texas history.

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 20, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth,
You ask if That person was still married, I have been wondering the same thing. You also ask if I was still in the HOY. That would be a BIG NO. LOL. My family left after there was some questions that arose after YH started preaching about multiple marriages, and slavery. I was friends with Yehdidiyah's first wife, and along with some of the others. I went to school there at the HOY. (Yiliyah), with both of YH's children, who were in school at the time, but I had no idea that any of this was going on. I think that YH was only telling the men about these things at the time. It wasn't brought to the attention of anyone else, until he got caught having an affair with the lady that worked in the office, then he decided that he was going to change scripture so that having more than one wife fit into his teachings, and practices. I know some of the people in question personally by growing up around all of them. I know Yedidiyah's first, second, and third wife. I know Kepha Arcemont's first and second wife. But no I am no longer associated with the HOY and dang sure do not want to be. I just want all of this crap to be over with, and for YH to be put to justice for all of the children's sakes, and for the pain and hardship of all the EX members and member now who want to leave and can't.

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 20, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

robertwp

So you are saying that even if it is against the law that we all should turn a blind eye to the things that are going on in places like this? You can not begin to realize or imagine what it is like for a CHILD, to be sexually molested and raped by someone that is old enough to be their grandfater! Let me let you in on a little secret, when a small child is molested or raped, it leaves permenant scars, not only physically, but also emotionally! They will be broken from the time that this happens, and be broken adults. It is a sick society that we live in that ANYONE would think that this is okay, or let it go on and not do a damn thing to stop it! That is what I would call someone with NO HEART, or balls for that matter! As far as the adult females that participate in this, I don't know what to think, why would anyone want to share the love and affection of a soul mate, someone that they truely love is beyond me. What I am saying here is that for all the children's sakes, this crap has to stop!

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 20, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hummmmmmmm I just found some intresting info. Seems like YH had another prediction for the HOY on August 28th, but the person who posted this did not give a year,(this was posted on posted 09-09-2004) but he supposedly told his congregation that he would die once he turned 70. Now wait just a minute, He's like 73 now isn't he? Another false prophecy! When is he going to learn? Open mouth, insert foot! LOL Anyways here is the link for the forum.

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum10/...

Posted by robertwp on May 20, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorrytosteponyourtoes,
If you read my post then you didn't understand it. Nowhere did I condone child abuse. In fact, I said that there were crimes that have been ignored for 20 years at HOY that were as serious as or might have even included child abuse and yet the "crime" that will bring Buffalo Bill to his knees is the “crime” of bigamy. I was simply pointing out the irony. (You do realize that Charles Manson is responsible for crimes many times more hideous than impersonating a rock musician, don’t you?)
I take it from your posts that you have been involved with the HOY. You seem to have first hand knowledge of what has gone on there and now you insinuate that child abuse is part of that list. I would suggest that you are the one who should get your huevos out of Buffalo Bills safe and do something, better late than never, to stop what you are alleging to have gone on at the HOY. You seem like a bit of a coward to be sitting on first hand knowledge while you try to put words in my mouth about condoning child abuse. The sorry state of your intellect was the fertile ground that Buffalo Bill used to plant his nonsense that you allowed to grow and thrive. I, along with most of humanity, never fell for his “crap”. Grow up.

Posted by sorrytosteponyourtoes on May 20, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not insinuating anything, child abuse has gone on, and has been proven, Yehdidiyah was arrested for sexually abusing his step daughter! That is child abuse. I have also talked to an FBI agent, and DHS. I also let DHS know that one of their very own case workers attended the HOY and that she knew of the things that were going on with the children there, so my huevos are right where they belong! And also not to mention, I was one of the ones who brought the situation to light with Nancy Grace and the TV stations there in Abilene. See you no nothing about what you are saying when it comes to me sitting on first hand info. Another thing, when we started attending the HOY, I was nothing but a child myself, I had no control over where I was at the time.

Posted by TheXMember on May 20, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

allshouldbefreetospeakthetruth posted something earlier that referenced my screen name (TheXMember)

This person is falling into and out of a dangerous delusion. He sometimes thinks he's the the true "Witness" spoken of in the bible/Dead Sea Scrolls.

He referenced a link and I highly suggest that anyone interested see how that thread is turning out.

http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/bl...

Posted by robertwp on May 20, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus challenged the leaders in the synagogue when he was 12.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 20, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TO: robertwp

What you are not seeing in your narrow mind is that a child brought up to honor their mother and father does not question what they are being taught at an early age. They accept it as truth and the way they should live. Just as these people in the HOY, who do not know scripture, follow what they are being taught and believe it is the way they are suppose to be living.

Jesus knew the scripture and He knew what He was following was the truth and to question what was being done by the leaders in the synagogue because his parents knew the truth and taught Him the truth.

But, a child in the HOY does not stand a chance of knowing what is right and what is wrong if the parents do not know the truth for themselves.

I pray that the HOY congregation's eyes are opened and they are able to see the REAL TRUTH.

Posted by robertwp on May 20, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"What you are not seeing in your narrow mind" is that there are many different versions of the truth and, in fact, I don't have the real one and neither do you. We only have our individual perception of the truth and it is vastly different from what the real truth actually is. That is why I raised my children to be anarchists.

"I pray that the HOY congregation's eyes are opened and they are able to see the REAL TRUTH."

What you are actually praying is that the HOY will accept your version of the truth over Buffalo Bill's version of the truth. Be honest.

Posted by robertwp on May 20, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."

"Buffalo" Paul's letter to the House of Yahweh at Corinth.

Posted by TheXMember on May 20, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

setfreebythetruth,

I was a member of hoy and I know the bible backwards and forward.

The problem with the bible is that it's writen in such a vague way that every individual gets something different from it. In fact, the only thing that a person gets out of the bible is exactly what is already in that person's character.

If a person is kind and loving, they will ignore or rationalize away all the torturous, genocidal acts that are in the bible. (Especially torturing and killing your own son...aka Jesus)

If a person is hateful and vengeful, they will gloss over everything except the content that justifies what they want to see.

Buffalo Bill was an authoritarian personality, he's incredibly horny, and he's scared of the end of the world. So, that's exactly what he found in the bible.

The people at hoy are not deluded because they lack biblical content in their minds. Most likely the exact opposite is true.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 20, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am an ex-member of the HOY and I did study a lot more to prove to myself what was the TRUTH.

I firmly believe that we all go through life experiences that our Heavenly Father has for us to learn from and then we move on to greater things.

The HOY was one of these learning experiences that we moved on from. And, I had no association with anything that pertained to the HOY for years.

But, now with all of this in the news and in our faces, we are faced with questions as to if we are suppose to do something with the lessons we learned, and show others, or are we to remain quiet and let them suffer what we have already been through.

That would be like not telling a child that is about to stick their hand in a fire anything...just let them get burned when you could warn them beforehand.

Posted by TheXMember on May 20, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I partially agree with you in that it's not a bad idea to relate our experience so that others don't have to make the same mistake. But, I'm under no moral obligation to do so.

It sounds like you've traded one cultish ideology for another.

Truth is TRUTH when you see it bottled and sellin' in Wal-Mart for $5.99 a pop.

Point being, anything real and true can be measured, weighed, tested and repeated with consistent results. Minor anomalies are often acceptable...but not always.

Posted by setfreebythetruth on May 20, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TheXMember wrote:
It sounds like you've traded one cultish ideology for another.

No, I haven't traded any ideology at all.

I feel sorry for the members of the HOY that know no better than to believe YH's lies.

I want to help them but don't know the right way to go about it...do you?

Did you see Nancy Grace tonight where he said that Lisa was not a member of the HOY? Did you hear all the lies he told? Did you see how he wouldn't answer any questions with the truth and how he used "being persecuted" as an excuse for not answering anything?

I stand for the TRUTH after all you've got stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

Posted by Truth_Is_Out on May 21, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Nancy Grace show was a hit for Nancy and a flop for YH! Why people still back this man up is beyond me.

Anyone with any single strand of common sense in the HOY who saw the show, can see he is a liar and a deciever(and many did not, as they have no TV, no internet, and no cable or satelite). Anyone who will not say he knew the women who had his children is a cad!!
The women that are in his family cannot wait to have his baby it seems. These children are probably children number 42 or 43. This is old news that he has children out there that he fathered.

The only reason he went on a show like that was he was looking for a free National way to promote his message.

He said the baby did not die on HOY grounds, and that Lisa did not die on HOY grounds, and the seven year old who died, and so on, well that did not make him an uninvolved partner. After all he calls the shots from his office and cellphones. Everyone out their consults YH for everything for every move they make. Should we take her to the hospital, should we report the baby died, should we call 911?? I know this as this is how my family handled medical situations and emergencies. The DA just needs to subpeona his cell phone records and compare them to the dates in question. Even the dates those children were born. Midwives call and report all births to him. He is responsible for all the deaths and sickness of the people under him. Treatment is dictated according to who you are, as he is a respector of persons. The woman who died in childbirth was not one of his favorite members.

When I asked certain Kohanahs about the mother who died, I was told I was not to ask about it or question it. It was just her time to die. No tears allowed, no memorial. No emotions allowed. So sad, but members cannot show sadness, or grief, or be upset in anyway.

Emotions in the HOH is not acceptable and considered sin!

Did anyone notice the signs that were on Nancy Grace show that said, If you see sin, report it to your supervisor. That is mind control, telling on each other, and people go around almost afraid to breath to avoid being told on! What one may not consider sin, may be considered sin by someone else and you never know who is listening. And if they do not report it they are in sin. So it is a catch 22 situation.

How do I know? Been there, done all that. Glad to say I am an X-member now.

Posted by grizzleybill on May 22, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace, true love in Yahshua,
I havn't posted a comment here for a few days, but it doesn't suprise me to still see THOY as the main focus of discussion. Praise Yahweh! I see more people are making statements about ...alledged "murders and rapes"...and possible threats of murder and retaliations in connection to ...whatever thier minds can imagine.
The statements and comments on the page, will continue to increase in severity, as days go by. You will all see this. The House of Yahweh will continue to be slandered and ridiculed, as well as accused of all manner of false accusations. Many people at this site will continue to imply/believe Yisrayl Hawkins's guilt already exist, based upon the feeding frenzy that is now occuring, even before any sort of trial has taken place. More and more people...who once studied with THOY, and were physically living at, or frequented THOY, have fallen away, and now spend thier time speaking against Yahweh's only prophicied work on this earth. Thier minds have been darkened...and without the benefit of Father Yahweh's Spirit of Holiness...they slander and mock, that which they are unable to percieve. They have in effect, cut themselves off from the only source of power and true knowledge in the universe...and seek to take many more with them. It is "the way" of the God of this world...falsefully accusing Yahweh's House...as it is with those who "follow" this God.
Earthquakes are occuring in "place after place" all across the world....Tens of thousands are dying dailey....this crazy weather is even now about to distroy what has been planted in the ground all over the earth, by flood or drought...wars are increasing, as "the nations were angry"...and Iran is soon to be a nuclear defiled crater, which will start...the beginning of the end as prophecied. Even after you see this taking place, and will see this take place, the "rest" of some of you still will not repent. I guess you'll just have to rely upon the God of this world to save and protect you from what "IS" coming! May the peace of Yahweh rest upon each of you! Soon!

Posted by Hotsauce on May 22, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can tell you what to do if you want to help change things around here. Yaaqov is having a meeting at his house on Private Rd. 2551 June 6-9, at 11am-2 pm each day, and everyone who is concerned about changing this group, should be at that meeting. The members inside the House are told to not go to the meeting, instead to email him, and to stay silent, and wait. Yaaqov has told every one of the members who have left the group to be at this meeting. I take his words very seriously, and you should too. He is making plans to reconstruct the leadership of The House of Yahweh. We all need his help, and we should be thankful he is willing to help. I am in touch with him, and his plan is working.

I have seen the leaders concerns about what he is doing, and his efforts are rocking the House. Yaaqov has told us all not to leave the group, and to stay silent while he brings the ones responsible for the deaths, and abuse of our friends to justice. Yisrayl Hawkins is losing this battle, and Yaaqov is taking over slowly, but surly. We need to support his efforts, at least until Yisrayl is taken down, and then if you want to leave the group, you certainly can, and you will have all my support to do so, but lets unite together until then.

I do not want to hear another word about how terrible Yaaqov is, while all you are hiding behind your screen names, in fear. Yaaqov is FEARLESS, STRONG, and tells the TRUTH, and that is the kind of leader I want to follow. Many times in the past year I have seen him sitting at the front gate waving to us as we drive into Sabbath Services. We are told by Yisrayl Hawkins, Skip is crazy, and dangerous, but the truth is Yisrayl Hawkins is the dangerous one. So if you want to cut down Skip/Yaaqov, then come out from behind your user name, and tell us who you are, and exactly what he did wrong, or stay silent.

Yaaqov is making a difference; he’s working with the FBI, CPS, and Shane Deel. His website is exposing the lies, and telling The Truth. We all need someone like Yaaqov, so quit crying about the way things are, and start fighting with him. We all saw Yisrayl Hawkins lie through his teeth on National TV. Is that the kind of leader you want teaching your children? If you have not red the Troubled_Leadership page on Yaaqov’s website, then maybe you should. This page will open your eyes to questions you need to be getting answers to.

http://www.skipstanley.com/troubled_L...

Posted by Hotsauce on May 22, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

---Grizzleybill---

You still have not answered the question I asked you last week.

What did you think about the Troubled Leadership page on Yaaqov's website?

Posted by grizzleybill on May 22, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotsauce,
Your...prescious...Yaaqov...is not one, or even the other of the two witnesses!!!!Has this one critical fact somehow escaped you? Have you even studied even the most basic of THOY prophecy? Yaaqov has in the past, and is now currently seeking to undermine Yahweh's house, and the authority of the ones Yahweh, Hisself, stated the He would put there, and, has placed in charge of THOY! There is no "Troubled Leadership" at THOY,as he would have you beleave, and as you have spread here for others to accepet as truth. If I wanted to hear more lies, fabrication, and falsely invented "Idiot" conjecture, I don't have to look far from this web site to do so...why do I need to read the lying opinion of yet another misinformed, fallenaway, soon to be x-member? Sounds to me like he has quite enough non-thinkers to pasify with his version of the.."truth".
If you want to continue not studying with THOY...then that is your choice...but know this my friend...Yaaqov, is not offering you life with THOY...he is most assuredly promising you death...without it. That is for all who read these words. I am not trying specifically to convert anyone...but merely now...to warn everyone! Repent, and seek The House of Yahweh while there is still time...For The Great Kingdom of Yahweh is near...very near! Shalom!

Posted by grizzleybill on May 22, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TheXMember,
Well...by the way you've been sounding lately my friend...you clearly don't know your..."backwards from your forwards"...as it relates to biblical prophecy! If you did...you would NOT be speaking against Yahweh's only true work...The House of Yahweh! The fact that you are...shows that you are not vastly studied, or for that matter, knowledgable concerning the specific prophecys CLEARLY identifying Father Yahweh's plan for the earth and the people on it. Because you have given heed to seducing spirits, that led you away from THOY, you have in effect, cut yourself off from any source of true kowledge concerning this matter. That alone should cause you some concern...let alone all the false acccusations that you now still insist on, and continue to spread here. When a person denies Yahweh's source of truth (His House)...then they have denied Yahweh! It is that simple. There can be no further expectation of any knowledge being given that person...as thier minds have become darkened!
Remember the seven lamp, lamp stand my friend...and more so...the last burning, westward positioned lamp? It has a very beautiful, specific meaning...did you ever know this...can you still recall the meaning? Those following the God of this world will not understand what I say to you...as even now...it is probebly but a distant, fleeting memory just at the edge of your thoughts. May Yahweh bless your understanding! Peace, in Yahshua.

Posted by Hotsauce on May 22, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GrizzleyBill

Help save me from "fallin-away" from the House of Yahweh, my fellow brother. I need your help! I am believing in Yaaqov, and I believe he is The True Witness, spoken of in the Scriptures.

This one page is where I have found this information, and I need you to help me find my feet back into the truth, if infact I am deceived. So please help me! I am begging you for your help. We do not need to expose who we are, we can do it from email. You can read the page, and help me analyis where it is wrong, so I will see clearly. Truth is truth, and a lie is easy to spot. I am very, very, very well studied in The House of Yahweh doctrine, and I helped find the information for many of our books pastor has written. We are the strongest truth on the planet, and few people can refute what we teach here at The House of Yahweh. I have found something I need your help with. So please help me understand what the false teachings are in this Troubled_Leadership page, so I can stand strong with the truth. It would not take, but five minutes to read, and then we can study every point, and prove it wrong together in emails, or right here, so other people will not get deceived by this page. Together we will prove what Yaaqov is trying to use to bring down our brothers. If he is wrong let's prove it together!

"If it will not last forever, then I don't want it."
Please help me, I really need your help.

Posted by TheXMember on May 22, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Grizzley,

You're assuming I don't know hoy's version of theology as it relates to prophecy. I do.

The problem is, Bill's prophecies didn't come true on the dates that he told me to 'mark on my calendar.' Simple logic goes like this [False prophecy = false prophet] It's really the simple.

The problem is hoy's version of Yahweh allows 1)the raping of women as long as you marry them,2) capturing women, shaving them down and then marrying them, 3)Slavery 4)The killing of every man, women, child and their animals if they don't believe the same fairy tale that you believe . . . etc. . . I could go on.

I'm not following any god of this world and no spirits have tried to seduce me. That's all part of your fantasy, not mine.

Oh while I'm on the topic of false prophets...

Hotsauce is Yaaqov/SkipStanley. Hotsauce believes he's the "True Witness" and he claims to have built a Nuclear Ion Plasma rocket that can take him to Jupiter.

http://ironwolf.dangerousgames.com/bl...

Posted by grizzleybill on May 23, 2008 at 11:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hotsauce,
It is not for me to decide anything...truly,
my friend, brother, but you already know where all the worlds salvation awaits... you do. The time is far beyond short...and getting closer, to THAT DAY...seek The House of Yahweh...PLEASE, (with tears from me)...while there is still time...PLEASE,...Qashaq (true love) in Yahshua!

Posted by grizzleybill on May 23, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TheXMember,
I have heard you...I really have, I have read, and re-read what you have written, i don't believe in my heart that you lie...from what I have seen from you in your statements here, I know you really are seeking something! What is it beloved one....? I do know, by your input on this site, that you want to "get to a conclusion", is this so? I have been blessed by your presence here. I more so than not, have been rude and a jerk in the way that I have talk to you...and others, speaking here. I am very sorry...and that was not according to the pattern of Father Yahweh!
I have just listened to a sermon from Pastor when he was a young man...and...well...if you go to THOY web site, and scroll down to the sermon "Qashaq", you could hear it also...whether you have heard it before, or not. Please forgive me ..( your real name)...because, you are one of the chosen of Yahweh.

Posted by Hotsauce on May 24, 2008 at 3:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

---GrizzleyBill---

Please help me in understanding the information on the Troubled_Leadership page. You have stated that you cannot decide anything. I do not get that statement. What do you mean?

You cannot let someone else make all your decisions for you. Yahweh tells us to prove all things for our selves. Letting someone else decide your Faith is a dangerous thing. I really need your help, and as a brother, I would expect you to help me. I am faced with decisions to make for my family's well being. I came here many years ago looking for the truth, and I believed I found the Witnesses. When Pastors brother died everyone in our group was baffled by this event, even Pastor. I remember Pastor praying over the body of his dead brother trying to resurrect him. Pastor did not believe he could die, because that was not prophesied. Today I am very confused with our Pastor. I see him lying about almost everything he has taught us for the past 20 years, and a man calling himself Yaaqov, standing at the front gate telling us to repent. Yaaqov is teaching The Dead Sea Scrolls, and has a vast knowledge of these books. Yaaqov was ex-communicated for teaching these books, and Pastor taught against these books for many years. Four years ago Pastor suddenly started teaching the Dead Sea Scrolls, but still refuses to allow anyone to read them, or talk about them. Why?

I see Yisrayl Hawkins lying to the people about everything he has been teaching us, and Yaaqov Hawkins standing at the front gate wanting back into our group. I see this group tearing itself apart, and the elders running in fear.

Continued...

Posted by Hotsauce on May 24, 2008 at 4:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yaaqov is telling me of deaths, and murders that have taken place inside our group, and I did not realize there were so many. If you read Yaaqov's website www.skipstanley.com he has listed these things, as well as a whole lot of other crimes our leaders are involved in. I see the Law Enforcement, and CPS coming into our group, and arresting our top elders, and Pastor. I want to be sure I am doing the right thing, and I do not want to follow the wrong person. My eternal life is at stake! I can not afford to be wrong!

We all need to question our Faith, to be sure we are not being deceived. GrizzleyBill you c