Posted by Abilenedude077 on August 19, 2008 at 2:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yay, God! Way to go. We've been so conditioned to withold because of a fear of future lack, and because in some ways it is smart money management. But like anything else in God's plan, sometimes we have to abandon the expected agenda and do something good for our neighbors. Glad to hear that what is usually deemed "The Christmas Spirit" is alive and well in Mid-August too.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 19, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just love our church, I love the people... I am so excited about what God is doing in our small town Clyde America...

Posted by sauria on August 19, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pretty amazing, certainly not the Beltway Park way!

Posted by katp1962 on August 19, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a member of a Baptist Church in Clyde. My daughter attends services at KLF and is active with the Youth on Wednesday evenings.
I have often thought about visiting KLF, but have not...yet.

I have heard various comments, by members of "other" churchs such as "it's not a "real" church" or they don't believe the way "we" do, or they don't worship the way we do"....Well, let me say, if what happened at KLF is not an example of the Love of Christ...I don't know what is!

Being a Christian is not "all" about knocking on doors, or reading just the KJV, or being a "member" of a particular denomination. It's about letting others see Christ in you..and being kind and loving and compassionate. It's about sharing the Love of Christ with others.

I love my Church and the people there. And even though I don't attend services at KLF...it's a Blessing to see the great things that they are doing!

Posted by Newt on August 19, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sauria, are you a member of The Park? I'm not sure what kind of experience you've had with Beltway, but I can tell you from personal experience. I am a single parent and don't have much money. My car died in the flood last August and Beltway refered me to a mechanic and then paid to have it repaired. Two Christmas' ago, soon after my husband left us, The beltway childrens' director contacted me and asked what they could buy for my two kids for Christmas. They contacted me, this was not something I asked for. Finally, the Beltway singles ministry, last Christmas collected food from all Beltway members and delivered dozens of bags of food (enough for a really good Christmas meal) to needy families anonomosly. I have never met a member or regular attender who's had a hard time without the Beltway Park members jumping up to help.

Posted by live4sports on August 19, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hopefully she just meant that although this happens at Beltway, you would never read it in the paper. (Not meant as a slam to KLF, I think it is great that it happened and that people get to read about it)

Posted by tntcoffman on August 19, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

KLF is a regional church meeting at 10:45, instead of 10:00. We have members not only from Clyde, but from all over the area. Since we meet in Clyde, we want to make Clyde be the best that we can. We may not have a traditional building to meet in at this time, but we are a "real" church. The Word of God is taught and the "only" road to Heaven is learned. We love each other and pray, by name, for success for all churches in the Big Country. We serve a sovereign King. He doesn't exist within the walls of a building. Our King's presence is to be seen in our lives. A true believer should be recognizable by their giving, their loving, and their praying.

Posted by mbs0606 on August 19, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the fact that the church is held in a junior high and not some huge $1 million building with 10 church vans and 5 mega TV screens, it makes it more special. Gods work is through these people and may they be blessed in the highest.

Posted by Tumbleweed on August 19, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

KLF needs to get ready the church jumpers are coming. You know the ones looking for the church with the best music, children’s play ground, carpet, A/C, website, services that aren't too long, services that aren't too short, close to restaurants, good parking, latte's in the lobby, new song books, experts at power point, a nice message that tickles the ears, and oh don't forget the one that doesn't ask you to participate in any manner but warm and polish the pew with your new jeans, cause the dress has to be casual you know.

KLF I would encourage you to pray more and especially to pray for those newly arriving hoards. Brother Hawk preach the uncompromising word. I give you this Matthew 10:26-28 26 Therefore do not fear them. For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. 27 “Whatever I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; and what you hear in the ear, preach on the housetops. 28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Posted by abc123 on August 19, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is such a testimony! What a way to live out your faith. I love it!

I really wish people wouldn't compare/criticize churches. Everyone is meant to worship and be at a certain church. Some people belong at Beltway, KLF, any of the southern Baptist, any of the CofC, and the list goes on and on. So what if some dress casual and the music is upbeat, or some go traditional and sing hymns. As long they are preaching and teaching that Christ died for our sins and He is the way to Heaven, I don't think we as Christians should criticize each other. What good is that? God's church is the body of believers and it occupies many buildings.. not just one, and I'm so glad it is that way.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 19, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tumbleweed I understand wherer you are coming from about the church jumpers and KLF is not the place for people that just want there ears tickled.

Brandon teaches the word straight from the Bible and some times it is not what "church jumpers" want to hear.
This is just a testimony of how God is Good all the time. It is not about this church or that church who did what it is about the Glory of God he is the one that put this blessing and other blessings togther. I believe there is more to come.

Posted by bmprdmpr2 on August 19, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yay, God!!!!
I love KLF. I have been there for 5 years now and cannot picture my family anywhere else. God has planted us where we are now. I believe that God always puts us where we are needed and where we need to be. Someday that may be at a church in Abilene, but until that time we will worship Him wholeheartedly and without abandon with our family at KLF

Posted by Tumbleweed on August 19, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cyndi that is wonderful news. I take that you attend KLF. Some will think getting money is what being blessed is all about. Actually it's here in Romans 14:17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Posted by wendy.barron on August 19, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tumbleweed I take it you do not attend KLF. If you did you would know where our heart is - for the people and to advance the Kingdom of God. I have attended KLF for 11 years. What transpired this past Sunday is nothing new for us. We have always had the same vision to build the Kingdom of God, love and serve the people, and make Clyde the best it can.

As for the influx of "church jumpers" they would be more than welcome to come and experience what God is doing at KLF. Who knows they might not feel the need to be "church jumpers" any longer. If not then I can assure you they while they visited KLF they will be treated like family and blessed beyond measure. Come and check us out, you might be surprised.

Posted by Tumbleweed on August 19, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wendy I talked to my wife about that at lunch today. What's going on at KLF sounds like it's right on. I pray you continue to seek first the kingdom of God and all his righteousness.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 19, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tumbleweed, you are right Some people may think that but the truth is there is so much more to being blessed than money. Wendy is right, our church well the people in our church the true church we are givers: givers of our time,talent and our money.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 19, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you go Wendy... They will be suprised

Posted by cottonball107 on August 19, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not a religious person but this certainly seems to be religion as God would want it..

Posted by junebug on August 19, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is a "church jumper"? I go to a very large traditional Baptist church here in town and I think we believe that anyone is welcome. It's not our place to question their reasons for being there.

As for Brandon Hawk . . . I've known him for a long time. He's a wonderful young man.

Posted by Tumbleweed on August 19, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Junebug the church jumpers are the ones looking for the church with the best music, children’s play ground, carpet, A/C, website, services that aren't too long, services that aren't too short, close to restaurants, good parking, latte's in the lobby, new song books, experts at power point, a nice message that tickles the ears, and oh don't forget the one that doesn't ask you to participate in any manner but warm and polish the pew with your new jeans, cause the dress has to be casual you know.

You know the ones in church for all the wrong reasons.

I call them non-born again Christians looking for what pleases them and not what is most important.

Posted by TexasTwister on August 19, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And who, Mr. weed, appointed you judge and jury of what is an appropriate reason to change churches? I would imagine 90% or more church-goers have "jumped" at least once. Unless you attend the same church your folks took you to as a child, you've probably "jumped" yourself...yes?

After all....if no one had ever "jumped", there wouldn't be different churches, would there? Or different denominiations for that matter.

I've "jumped" twice in my life as a Christian....once because the church of my parents simply wasn't satisfying my thirst for the Word.....the second time because I had a spiritual awakening that led me to a church whose services allowed me to praise God freely as I chose. BTW....this is over a 30 year period...so don't think I "jump" churches on a whim.

Because of my experiences, I would never question why someone leaves one church to join another. That's a purely personal and individual choice made between a believer and God...and frankly, I seriously doubt God cares what my opinion is about someone else's reasons.

I just rejoice that, for whatever reason, that person is attending a place of worship and hearing God's message.

Perhaps you should heed God's warning about criticizing a fellow Christian's heart...
Matthew 12:25 "Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand"."

Posted by Tanias on August 19, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like an episode of "Price is Right". Anyone with a problem, come on down, we'll fix you right up whether you deserve the help or not. I wonder how many of those people that got that free money are out drunk today or are buying drugs?

Posted by katp1962 on August 19, 2008 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tanias... Is that how you would have used the BLESSING, had you been there to be on the receiving end? You evidently have never encountered such love and selflessness, as what occured at KLF.

I wondered how long it would take, before satan started spewing venom. (I am by no means, implying that you are satan.....that's just how he does business. Turns something good and positive, into negative...such as your little comment)

Posted by Tanias on August 19, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

katp1962, First off, I would have had a screening process to see if those receiving the help really needed it. Further more I would have donated a decent amount to things like Clyde Resource Center, Clyde Volunteer Fire Dept. or Built a decent park for the Clyde youth. I own a business in Clyde and I make many donations as part of my business practice with time and money.

Posted by steppin_in on August 19, 2008 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wonder if Jesus had a screening process? Hmmm..

Posted by newguy062 on August 19, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A congregation of just over 300 blue-collar patrons managed to give over $750,000? Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical.

Posted by Scottie on August 19, 2008 at 11:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sauria, do all the HSU profs hate beltway?

Posted by robertvp on August 20, 2008 at 12:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

newguy good point. All of this sounds good, but I can't help but wonder how 300 blue collar patrons can give over $750,000? The pastor did say it was an "estimate".

If tithes were handed over directly, how do they know the amount?

A business being handed over? There are many questions about that one.

Why would a church that does not have a building have a $338,000 annual budget?

For blue collar workers, 300 of them, that is a lot of money. Also a certain percent of them had to be receivers and givers. So are we talking about 200 blue collar workers giving $750,000 to 100 people?

I hope all of this is true. But it does raise questions. How did this get into the paper? Do we want ALL churches to start turning in news reports of how they are helping people?

$20,000 given away just to have fun? I would be embarrased to take money from a church to spend it that way. Thats not a need.

Like newguy, in this day and age, I am just a little skeptical. I sure wish times were different and I could take this at face value.

Posted by junebug on August 20, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said, Tumbleweed, we don't care why people come to our church. Not our place to question them. They come and they are welcomed, no questions asked.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 20, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well to all you skeptical people I have gone to KLF for 5 years and I know that this is a giving church the people give over and above. I dont know how 300 + blue coller workers can give so much I just feel God muliplied it. (you know he can he is our LIVING GOD that does great hings for his children)
I think if you are skeptical you should come and see what goes on. I know the man that gave a way that business and I know who he gave it too. It was awesome live changing events.
for the money that was given out I don't think WE ARE TO JUDGE... GOD SAID YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE... I believe that elders and the pastor prayed about this event and they felt it was from God and they blessed people.
I was there Sunday I was one that got blessed. My family was able to get school clothes and pay off some bills.
I could go on and on about the great things that came out of Sunday but I dont think you would "get it"... being skeptical and all...

Posted by junebug on August 20, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tanias, are you jealous that you weren't there to receive any of the blessings? Sounds like it. This was not a "business" decision, this was a truly amazing decision of faith. If some of the people there took more than they really "needed," they will be the ones who will pay . . . with guilt.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 20, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

renoij*** you said and I quote "$20,000 given away just to have fun? I would be embarrased to take money from a church to spend it that way. Thats not a need"

Brandon said that he wanted just to bless us, to go have a good lunch, to buy a dress that you could not get before. Why is that not a blessing sometimes it is just nice for some one to give you something that you did not NEED just to bless you just to say hey I love you, WE love you God loves you. have you never had a blessing like that?
IN the end you are going to have people that say to this event Sunday YEA God, then you are going to have people that question all that you do. So I say to you that have all your questions come to church with us see what we are all about, ask your questions God will answer you too :)

Posted by wendy.barron on August 20, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why such a stir has been caused by KLF stepping out and doing God's will is beyond me. So I have a few questions and answers that hopefully will help put your minds at ease.

Tanis questions: Why the need for a screening process? Did Jesus screen those He healed or those He feed? What if God had a screening process for you or me? Would He have found us worthy enough to give His son for us? Probably (no Definitely) not but He gave His very best anyway.

Tanis answer: And just for your peace of mind - KLF runs Clyde Community Resource Center, is helping with the City Park, built and established a House of Prayer for the community, and does contribute to the volunteer Fire Department, has held special services recognizing those who volunteer and work for the Fire Department, Police, EMS, and City services, as well as working with several other area churches to have Hallelujah Night in October, The City Wide Service in July and numerous other outreach programs. Since you own a business in Clyde I am sure that you contribute to many of these community programs as well and I know God will bless you for giving back to the community.

Newguy062 & Renoij questions: Why are you two so skeptical that a church of just 300 "blue-collar" workers could raise and give away $750,000? Didn't Jesus feed the multitudes with just 2 fish and 5 loaves?

Newguy062 & Renoij answer: If I weren't a part of KLF, I would probably be a skeptic. And I would find 300 "blue-collar" workers having the same values and beliefs, giving totally of themselves to help further the Kingdom of God a little mind boggling. But I am a part of KLF and I can assure you KLF is a body of believers that has discovered they can not out give God. Yes I know in this day and time this is a strange concept, but I encourage you both to give it a try. See if you can out give God. I promise it won't happen.

I am not only proud but also blessed to to be a part of KLF. If God hasn't planted you in a church body I would personally like to invite you Tanis, Newguy062 and Renoij to come and visit KLF. You will be treated like family, loved unconditionally and blessed beyond measure. And you can take that at face value.

Posted by weeman on August 20, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets see - members of a church decided to take money out of their own pockets to help those in need. Let me reiterate.....these people took their own hard earned money, and gave it to people whose needs exceeded their own.

sarcasm insues: What a horrible act for someone to think of more than just themselves. What is this world coming to where people in need can turn to their church for help and guidance.

I understand the skeptical side of it, however, who are we to question those who obviously want to help others. Would it have made a difference if were only a thousand dollars given?

I do not go to church, and havent in quite some time...not to say that i dont like it or whatnot, i just dont go....but I have to say i feel very proud of these individuals and what they are doing for those in need regardless of how much, who got what, ect.

Kudos to KLF (hey, wasnt that an 80's band?) for their truly unselfish act..........

Posted by jane_jhereg on August 20, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is currently my favorite story- its very inspiring. i like knowing that there are whole communities that still take care of people without demanding reward or recognition in return. i say "THANK YOU" to the KLF in Clyde.

Posted by steppin_in on August 20, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen! and yes, what a wonderful thought if ALL church communities tried this once in awhile. Heck, not even church - any individual. This world would definitely be something different than it is today.

Posted by righthere on August 21, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The folks that are only seeing the $ sign are not seeing the unselfish expression of LOVE. The folks that understand what this is all about know that real wealth, real value, real gain is:

" Happy is the man that findeth WISDOM, and the man that getteh understanding. For the merchandise of it is BETTER than the merchandise of silver,and the gain thereof than fine gold. She is MORE PRECIOUS than rubies: and all things thou canst desire are not to be compared to her. LENGTH of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour(Proverbs 3:13-16) Thankyou KLF !!!!

Posted by starflower2154 on August 21, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Something that no one has really talked about is that on Sunday Brandon Hawk also stressed the point that it wasn't all about money. Money was just the easiest thing that people related to when talking about giving. He repeatedly reminded us (the congregation) that there are many ways God calls us to give.

For example, in our marriages/relationships. A good marriage doesn't happen by accident. It doesn't happen by giving just enough to the relationship either. It happens by giving your time, love, heart, mind abundantly. Just like tithing, in a marriage you get back what you put in. If a man loves his wife abundantly and adores her, she is much more likely to reciprocate that same love.

Another example is our workplace. Do you think that if we just punch in, punch out without GIVING a little extra we would be promoted or RECEIVE a raise? Do you think a person would be recognized or honored for doing "just enough" at the their job?

It's all the same principles. Giving sacrificially of our time, love, money, resources, talents, etc.

Posted by Jam4junk on August 21, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am just wondering, Is the church set up as a non-profit org? If so did the givers of the money get a tax benefit (tax deduction for charitable giving) by giving to the church. If so, I could give to a church then I could get the money back in the form of a gift? I wonder if the man who received $25,000. will have to report it as income! I just am wondering if there is any legal (IRS) implications here.
By the way for the record. I do attend a church (not the one in question) regularly and I do give a tithe to it.

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 21, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jam4junk, yes our church is no profit... I am not sure how our church will handle this giving that they did.. if that bothers you please call our church office... The man whom got that $25,000 is a very honorable man and I am sure he will do what is right come tax time.

So don't you use your tithe at the end of the year for your taxes?

I think some of you are getting what our church did but there are some of you that seem (SEEM) to have a harden heart about the giving of money our church being a bibical church and giving. You need to know that is not all about the MONEY it is about changing our city, our region.. our county... we have to start where we are at. our heart is for people to come to the Lord and have there lives changed to experience the true love of our LIVING GOD...

Posted by righthere on August 21, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jam4junk, tithes and offerings (read Mal 3:8) belong to God. They are not yours, they are not the church's they are His! You just bring it to the store house. You give in faith knowing they are his, it now becomes His responsibility to take care of it and he will.
Two: I do not recall ever, I mean 50 + years of ever receiving a 1099 with the gifts I received at Christman, birthdays, etc. I bet the IRS agents operate the same way. I know of children graduating from high school and their parents giving or purchasing them a new or used car(that is a gift, isn't it?) Do they get a 1099 also? I don't believe when I purchase a gift for my wife, I inform her that I had to keep it under a certain amount just so we wouldn't have to pay taxes! About twenty yrs ago I purchased a used VW for my wife as a gift with the intent on restoring it a little at a time as I could afford. Then one December an employee in a very small company I worked for lost his job. Right at Christmas time. This was a family of three. He did not own a car and fortunately the company provided one for his work as he was salesman. My wife and I (her idea and I supportted it) decided to give him the car as a gift. Can you imagine if I given him a 1099? It was a gift, period, it was to help him, it was something Im very proud my wife did. Yes, one day I will find her another bug and restore it for her! She deserves the moon, the sun and the stars, TAX FREE!

Posted by katp1962 on August 21, 2008 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

cyndigarcia, you said "So don't you use your tithe at the end of the year for your taxes?"

I don't understand that. I mean, I guess someone "could" claim tithes on their taxes..but why would you want to? Kind'a like saying, "Ok God, I will give you this, but it's ok. I will get it back at the end of the year". I've never even thought about claiming my Tithes on my taxes. And I am not knocking anyone who does this...I just never thought about it. My tithe is my gift back to God, for all He has given me.

Posted by texasblackhawk84 on August 22, 2008 at 12:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Awesome! Blessings to all the people of this God lead Church. I hope that this opens the eyes of all of our Churches and the same freedom of giving to those in need gets passed on. God IS great!

Posted by lillian5 on August 22, 2008 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tumbleweed! Where is that church located? I could use a latte! And the last church I went to was so caught up in sitting at the minister's table at the cafe after church with the big givers and talking bad behind other member's backs that I had to cruise. Mean mugging and pointed sermons included. Sounds like this church is more interested in doing the right thing. Wonder what Jesus would say and do? My "bet" would be that he would go to Clyde also...

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 22, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

katp1962 I did say that and I am sure some people do use that but as for me I don't... I dont't judge those who do. That is for sure.

Posted by Ifyouonlyknew on August 22, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow all these comments that have been posted are great but I would like to let everyone that is interested in on some things you all are not aware of and some of you that will know exactly what I’m talking about. Ok Ms Garcia were you singing the praises of the Hawk family when you were fired from the Hawk business, where you? And Ms Barron you didn’t mention how you really felt about Sr Pastor Brandon taking over the prior Sr Pastor's position just weeks ago!! But you both are singing the praises of KLF and taking advantage of this free hand out offered by this church. Is that very Christian like behavior? I have no doubt that some of these stories of the people blessed by this hand out are of good faith, but the way this process of giving of the money was handled should have been thought through better than it was. There were seeds planted in some of these people that will haunt them for the rest of their lives. God has a plan for everyone and a lot of his plans were just interfered with when this money giving "epidemic" was not handled properly! Like money given to someone there Sunday with 3 DWI’s and NO DRIVERS LICENSE because they needed a new car (FACT)? And how does allowing a 3 year old child to grab as much cash he or she wants out of an offering plate being passed around teach good "Christian" values to our children?
Why was this money not used to build a "bigger" church to provide a place of worship other than the Jr high Auditorium? Wasn’t the majority of this money that was given away, money people of the church had given in the past and properly set aside (your store house) to use in the building of a new church? It will be interesting to see how things unfold in the future....

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 22, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ifyouonlyknew... for the record I was fired from there and that has been handled... I have a great job now with lots of benefits so God covered me and God blessed the Hawks' as well. I dont hold anything against them. They did at the time what they thought they needed to do for there business.
You know I could answer everyone of your questions but I dont think that would make you happy.
The facts are our church our elders that I am in relationship with that I trust, did what they felt the Lord was telling them to do,in faith.. SO in FAITH I stand behind what our leaders and elders do. I think it was awesome for them to give away money.

I am sorry that you feel hurt over this...

Posted by Ifyouonlyknew on August 22, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is not so simple as to say, "I am hurt as to what OUR Church did." There is a lot of hypocrisy inside our church walls that needs to be dealt with. I am a devote Christian and I believe that everyone should give to those less fortunate. But in this case money, about $250,000.00 in cash, to be honest, was carelessly given to anyone who wanted and if there was a need or not. Taking money from a church and buying a new cell phone and giving a young child a new blackberry is NOT a need. That in my opinion is greed and should not be taught in Church. I believe what honestly began as something pure and clean turned into something we should be ashamed of. I just wanted to make a point to everyone that there are a lot of things that are not right going on hear. No one should be allowed to live off the goodness of the Church and that is what is happening with some of the members.
I understand that each individual will have to answer only to God for what they did with that money. I just think we should step back and not make the same mistake twice.

Posted by wendy.barron on August 22, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ifyouonlyknew - it seems that you think you know me so well, but obviously you don't.

When our previous Pastor chose to leave KLF (his choice, he said) many of us were hurting and confused (as it is obvious you were and still are). I met personally with Pastor Brandon and explained my feelings and concerns (as obviously you didn't).

I have been planted at KLF, by God. I am right relationship and agreement with God and with KLF and the leaders there of. (which obviously you are no longer). If you had attended KLF this past Sunday (which obviously you didn't) you would have already known that the free "hand-out" I received, which by the way was $2,000, was mailed to a family in Odessa, Texas, who had received word the previous Tuesday that the husband's liver cancer had returned. If that is what you consider taking advantage of my free "hand-out" then so be it. I took advantage of my free "hand-out" by sending it to a family in need and there was never a doubt that was the right thing to do. And in case you want to check it out, it was sent to the T. Myers family (the only one listed in the directory).

In closing, I know who you are and it breaks my heart that you have been so hurt to the point that you feel that you need to attack the very people who have shared with you, prayed with you and been in relationship with you. Just as God does not break His covenants with us, we did not break covenant with you. You chose to break it and it hurt. Can you say the same? Never mind, your words say it all.

Know that you are loved and in our prayers.

Posted by Ifyouonlyknew on August 22, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There has been no covenant broke and I was present for Sunday's service but chose not to take the free money. As for you knowing who I am I can assure you that is something you will never know.

If you notice I did not make reference to the money that you took from the Church. I am glad that you chose to do God's work with your money and praise you for that. I just think in the future I would choose your works carefully when venting about changes in front of other members. I respect both pastors just feel differently about how some things are being handled.

Posted by kingdomcome on August 22, 2008 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow.. Jesus said you will know things by the "fruit". What kind of fruit is the arguing between ifyouonlyknew and cyndigarcia and wendy.barron? Do we even really know what "covenant" is? I have gone to Kingdom Life Fellowship in the past, as well as Beltway park that was mentioned earlier. There are many wonderful people at KLF and wonderful things that have gone on through the years. I am broken hearted by what I see in the present season. Covenant? Why have there been 3 different Sr. Pastors in 3 1/2 years? Covenant? Why is there open attacks and ugliness? Covenant? Why did the outgoing pastor refuse to participate with this giveaway? Why is there no accountability by the elders to people's serious concerns? All I see is hype, controversy... and can people at KLF even hear that red flag...or do they stick there fingers in their ears for the sake of "unity". Yes- The idea oF giving away money is Kingdom, courageous and life giving. How awesome! It is equally true that to just throw the seed out with no strategy or boundaries is silly and irresponsible. Why were people in the church told "NO" when asked for money to help someone go for drug counseling just the prior week? So there would be money for Dillards dresses? We whitewash that by saying "GOD SAID". Did He? How do you know? Because the elders said...right....? These guys have ran off 2 pastors in what is it...2 years? Are they hearing God just because we love them and they have done nice things for us? Noone ran anybody off...there were...umm...circumstances. Really? We are so busy taking sides that we just can't look in the mirror and call things as they are. KLF is full of people who will love each other to the end...(until they don't stay on the bandwagon)....and that is NORMAL too. We are all people who need Jesus. Things are not healthy right now. I personally believe that there needs to be a pastor that the elders will submit to. I know that is one of the main reasons the last pastor left no matter what the publicity was on it. Hey...how about covenant for him? I know these comments may sound like "how satan operates"...but how about some covenant? This may just be God speaking these concerns...not the devil.

Posted by wendy.barron on August 22, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kingdomcome - there is no argument on my part. Hurt probably, but no argument. My heart is sadden that ifyouonlyknew chose this venue to discuss how they felt about KLF instead of addressing it with the body, or the people they seem to have a problem with. And while I haven't read all of your post nor will I read all of it a sentence did catch my eye - where you say we have run off 2 pastors in 2 years. You are so miss informed.

Once again there is no argument on my part, so do not read more into than what it is. Enough said.

Posted by kingdomcome on August 22, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wendy.baron, why won't you read the blog? Just wondering...thankyou

Posted by cyndigarcia on August 23, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)

truth is it hurt me that ifyouonlyknew brought up the past that is really noones business... I understand all of ifyouonlyknew & kingdomcome's feelings... I just don't know about happened to the other pastors, I do know about the first pastor, I just have to believe that the church is doing what God tells them too. I also know that if it is not of God it is going to come out into the light. I do have concerns about Sunday but I am not going to voice them here, I feel that I have to go to the leadership and talk to them. I would hope that if you two cannot go to the them with how you feel then go to God and ask him how to handle it. I am sure he is not going to want any of us to be here talking crap about our leadership.
So if I offended any of you I am sorry. I hope this ends soon, and if there is truly something going on in the leadership of our church then I pray that something will happen and God will bring it into the light.
God Bless you all...

Posted by bmprdmpr2 on August 23, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh my,
Such controversy over a leap of faith by a church for the betterment of the community as a whole.
Improvement and developement of the city and the spirits of the community are what matters not another building.
Our body of believers has agreed with our pastorial leaders (current and two previous)to forgo the building of a new building for a while so that we can give back into the community. A building does not make the church. The Jr High is an adequate building for our service. We have the seating to accommodate our congregation and visitors, the gym for the childrens minstry, the nursery and the kitchen area. We are growing and will need a larger facility at some point. That time is just not now. We, the community, are the church, not the building.
I do honestly hope we get some "church jumpers". That would only broaden our opportunity to teach the true reason for prayer and extravagant worship (For it is not the healthy that need a physician). Sure it is a little out there for some people, but hey "David danced in worship to the Lord until his clothes fell from his body". The "church jumpers" definately would not get what Tumbleweed described they would be looking for. They would however be exposed to the love of God and the Faith of a church for Good.
As far as the comments about whether someone used the blessing they received to get drunk or do drugs... Once we give out of love and obedience to God's word, it is none of our business what the receiver does with the blessing. I would pray that they would have the wisdom to make the right choice, but only God can give that. And if they do get drunk or high, there is a very good chance that they will be spreading the word of God's love even then. They will tell people what they experienced and give testamony of what the Kindgdom is all about.
"A screening process"- Totally absurd for the purpose of our message at any given service, past Sunday included.
And yes, a congregation of just over 300 blue collar workers can give away 750K- we have been sowing seed into this mission "give, pray, love" for a lot of years. I think it is totally appropriate and a legacy to our past 2 senior pastors teachings. When you work in community as God has ordained then 750K to give away or anything else is totally expected.

Posted by bmprdmpr2 on August 23, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ifyouonlyknew-
I guess you have missed a few Sundays or have not been there very long. We decided as a body some time ago to forgo the building of a new building for the reasons mentioned above. This is not a new "Brandon Hawk concept" This has been the vision of KLF entire body. Evidently you are not a member but merely a pew warmer if you are not aware of the vision and purpose of our church. But that is entirely your business. I say, "welcome". And as you say you chose not to take the money. That my friend is a Gift from God also. It is called free will and God deals with everyone individually on this issue.
I, Cherry Mikeska, like Cyndi and Wendy, personally invite anyone who is either skeptical or has any quetions, to attend with us on Sunday. Like Wendy said, you will be welcomed and loved.

Posted by kingdomcome on August 23, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just think it would be great to go to the Bible and answer a few key questions. Not a one sided argument to support the status quo...but a real understanding from scripture about:

Who is the authority in a church...elders...a pastor?

What does scripture say our tithe is for? (not what does someone "feel" the Lord is saying to them)

How is real accountability achieved?

I think that there must be a turning to the Bible. Also would the leaders of KLF be humble enough to turn to the body of Christ in the region to help discern whether they are hearing God or off on an emotional tangent? How about a team made up of the Pastor from beltway park and others to speak into whether they are hearing God? I mean if this causes so much publicity and strong feeling...and some members have concerns....can we just be family as the body of Christ...or is family only those who don't question anything of the leadership at KLF? just a thought.

Posted by righthere on August 24, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kingdomcome,
how do you personally conclude the pastor of Beltway is 100% correct in his doctrine? Why don't we also gather a team to travel to all churches to hear what they are saying and teaching? Everybody feels they are right yet doctrine varies immensely! The Word says we will give account for every idle word! EVERY IDLE WORD! I surely hear a lot of that. Point me in the right direction here, where in the Word does it say we sin or give an account if we give gifts, offerings?

Posted by jesuslovesme on August 24, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did I miss something I don't believe I read anywhere that someone said that the pastor at Beltway is 100%. Did I miss it, I believe the only thing Kingdomcome said is read the bible. Now it is 100%. I believe that if this was not God's way then the fight belongs to him. He will be the only one to bring light to darkness. We believers are all family and this fight is not against flesh & blood but is a spiritual war. What has been done wrong(if it was wrong)God knows all and will tend to this act his way. It doesn't matter what I think or you think, it just matters what God thinks.
I just know this act just doesn't set right with my spirit and I have been reading and searching. Isn't tithing and blessing two different deeds. We are commanded to tithe and anything above and beyond is gifts & blessings. We should not rely on feelings just the word. Our feelings will get us in trouble. I think its OK to discern the leadership the bible says so. Php 1:10. My last comment is read 1 Timothy 6:3-10

Posted by righthere on August 24, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jesuslovesme, yep you missed it. A reader was calling for discerment according to beltway's pastor would be correct/acceptable,etc. So if this occured at beltway,or any other acceptable church it would of been OK? Since it does not set right with your spirit, it's wrong? If you would of felt good about it , it would of been right? That's the problem around here. Everybody fuzzing about: " I dont believe in those tongues", "We don't play instruments here" "Well we cover our heads"," Well we don't" etc. You get it. You think God is going to judges us for giving? or for fuzzing? Take a look at Mat 5: 22-24. You think God is impressed with the $ amount? If this would of been 10 BUCKS that they gave probably most would not of commented as in their value system this is acceptable, but several thousands of dollars!!! Now that's different. We have to stop this, I don't feel right about this. God is not interested in the amount he is interested in the heart. Am I reading the wrong bible here? I posted earlier a reference to scripture which points to the real value, the real worth according to GOD it's "WISDOM!!! READ IT!!! She is MORE PRECIOUS THAN RUBIES, YEP MORE PRECIOUS THAN YOUR BMW, LAKE HOUSE, $7,000,000.00 MANSION!!! AND GOD WILL GIVE YOU THIS WISDOM, THIS VERY VALUABLE THING, THIS WEALTH WHICH IS MORE DESIRABLE THAN ANYTHING YOU MIGHT WANT, JUST BY ASKING? YOU MEAN I DON'T HAVE TO RUN IT BY THE ELDERS? OR THE PASTOR OR THE REST OF THE CONGREGATION? NO PRECONDITIONS EITHER? CAN I BE STANDING UP AND GET IT? SITTING DOWN? JUST ON SUNDAY AFTER I TITHE? NO JUST ASK GOD IN FAITH, BELIEVING YOU RECEIVED. READ !!!! (JAMES 1:5)!!!!! THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THE REAL VALUE, WORTH, PRECIOUSNESS, OF WISDOM. PROVERBS 3:14-15 !!!!!!!FOLKS KEEP YOUR EYES OFF THE $$$$ YOU ARE MISSING THE SPIRIT OF THE GOSPEL !!!!

Posted by huckster on August 25, 2008 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let the one who is without sin cast the first stone.

if that doesn't fit you, how 'bout you put a sock in it from both sides of this meaningless argument.

Posted by righthere on August 25, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Argument? Who said we were arguing? Who came up with the sock idea? Is your sock your rock?

Posted by huckster on August 25, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how witty. but did you advance the kingdom?

Posted by righthere on August 25, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you have no idea

Posted by huckster on August 26, 2008 at 1:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i guess i don't.

Posted by JohnB44 on August 26, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The whole thing was reckless and immature behavior on the part of the church leadership. There is something very Roman about the orgy of money swapping which obviously took place. It smells a little like hedonism.
Tending to the flock demands responsibility and accountability. This event was anything but.

Posted by righthere on August 26, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus what was you thinking of when you turned the water into wine? My oh my! Now we have the very Son of God contributing to alcoholism or was it grape juice, must of been. Come on Jesus, why did you do that? They had already drank some wine. You should of instead turned it to milk? That would of been more Holy. No better yet, run it through the staff for guidance. God, why did you save the PROSTITUTE Rahab and all her household from a certain death. Why didn't you pick a virgin to save , holy, one that attended services without fail, but a prostitute?, Come on, here you should take note of how we judge, we would never put up with people that even look like THAT TO US! God and then you had the nerve to die for me when I was yet in my sins? I can accept and understand you giving me a conditional pardon, kind of what we on earth call parole and when I miss it again (I will) you could of rightfully send me into everlasting darkness. You really should listen to my advice here. Im not in agreement that you SENT your HOLY SON, YOUR HOLY SON, to die in my place. What did he do wrong? What kind of EYES do you see me through? How can you find it in YOU to blot out ALL my short comings and all my sins? What was that JOY that was set before you through the which you endured the cross? Can you find it in you one more time to forgive our misunderstandings within YOUR BODY. How can I SIN AGAINST YOUR BODY? ISN't this how you see us? One more please; GOD, ARE YOU REALLY THAT SERIOUS ABOUT MATTHEW 5:22?

Posted by kingdomcome on August 26, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

righthere,
I appreciate your heart, and believe me I understand your argument and desire for the Kingdom of God to be manifest. PLEASE PLEASE don't make the mistake of thinking that anyone who disagrees with the way this money was given to be "religious", or "Pharasees". Don't be so arrogant as to say "Wow these people don't understand the Kingdom" or "People just can't be in favor of the DEEP THINGS of the Kingdom of God." It is easy to say "you weren't there...so you don't know and shouldn't judge". STOP THIS! Just because people get excited about it...or lots of people say "that is what the church should look like"...doesn't mean that it is scriptural...or wise...or that God was heard. It is easy to just line up behind the staus quo and trust that they are hearing God...but the proof is in the pudding: 1)Can there be accountability or if we question things we are either don't have revelation or we are covenant breakers. 2) WHo is covering the elders to hold them accountable and correct them if they are off base? --stop-- just think about that. GROW UP BODY OF CHRIST. The outgoing pastor would not agree to the giveaway act...and this is a clue as to why he was outgoing! (in other words get behind the folks that are wielding the influence...or get down the road.) Now you might think you know because you have heard what was announced in church...but ask the outgoing pastor to be honest with you and tell you the whole truth.
YES- God may tell us to do very outside the box things...but not everything is God just because it is sensational and pushing the envelope. Could I call for some humilty and accountability with the body of Christ in the area? Why not ask for a team of pastors to come and evaluate? Is that unscriptural? Will the elders allow this? Would they step down from power if found out of order? Is the current pastor ready at 20 something in character, wisdom and depth of scripture...or is he in on charisma? Maybe the answer to all this is: "BUTT out...this is our church"...Is it? Or is it God's church and a part of the body in the Big Country? Just a thought....

Posted by righthere on August 27, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"a part of the Body in the big country" Why so diverse in doctrine then? I can see where a "denomination" sets it's own doctrine. Will KLF be allowed to play instruments during the worship service by this committee? Will the songs be subject to approval? Would they be allowed to praise in a heavenly language? According to some denominations in THE BIG COUNTRY, YEAH RIGHT, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS! Funny, I haven't heard this much squaking about a sermon preached out of context anywhere! But if it has to do with MONEY or GIVING, now that's different. There must be accountability! Do people understand that their are temporal things (money is one) and there are eternal things, like WORDS, Yep, what you say, preach, commnunicate with, lash out with, condem with. Have you and the BIG COUNTRY BODY OF CHRIST been praying and UPLIFTING Pastor Hawk when you all became aware of their new fellowship? Or are we trying to see if they heal on the Sabbath (catch them at something we PERCEIVE they are doing wrong)? Do we wait (BCBC)for something that we don't agree to have a SWORD (the WORD) fight against our brother? Let the BIG COUNTRY BODY OF CHRIST demonstrate their kindness, love, support, and forgiviness towards all at all times, then you are walking the walk. How will you deal with "the WORKS that I do shall he do also; and GREATER works than these shall he do...." Talk about sensational acts!!!. Try this sometime, I did; I asked an audience to pray for another church. I specifically mentioned the name and denomination. I chose a church's denomination who forbids many of our practices, but believes in Jesus. I asked them to pray with the same fervor as they do for their family members, as they do for their pastor, as they do for their assembly. Yep, this was foreign to them. Praying in a Holy language for a church that does not believe in it? See the picture my heart sees? Let me touch on the progigal son. The father, a picture of our heavenly father, the son that spent it all on the wrong things, did the wrong things, said the wrong things, sinned against the father, that's we. What was the father's ernest expectation? Luke 15:20 "...But when he (his son) was a great way off, his father SAW him and had compassion.." The father was on the lookout with great expectation, with compassion in his heart and grace to do it by. Im in no way stating that pastor Hawk acted this way, but the point here is that even when things APPEAR to be done wrong our responsibility is to be like God in these matters. Did you see the Father in this scripture telling his servants to get the strap, that he was going to whoop on that no good orgy minded son of his? Is that in another version of the bible I have not read? I hear more bickering and backbitting towards Pastor Hawk than anything else? The money ,temporal, our words, eternal.
Something I heard a long time ago: "We judge others by their actions we judge ourselfs by our intentions" Fitting?

Posted by kingdomcome on August 27, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What are you talking about rightthere? This isn't about denominational doctrine! Will you please quit talking down as if noone else has compassion or understands the gospel of the Kingdom. I mean really...would you? If you see the questioning of whether this act was wise or whether it was God directed as "condemning" or "lashing out against Pastor Hawk" or "seeing if we can catch someone to condemn them like a pharasee" then I guess any call for accountability is simply going to fall on deaf ears. There is nothing wrong with giving money away at all....my observations were about the fact that the former pastor was so against the act he refused to participate. (fact-ask him)

Look//I didn't call the newspaper to put it out there...(who did?). After all, God is capable of dealing with things. Forgive me for trying to talk about it. I am not being received. God bless you and KLF.

Posted by righthere on August 28, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you miss an earlier post calling for a
committee?
So the former pastor was against it; does this mean pastor B. Hawk missed it? Maybe God put it in the heart of pastor B.Hawk to do as others would of questioned this leading and not comply. You think this giving phenomenon (that's what some call it) which occured at Clyde will just impact the big country? Could it be that maybe just maybe God has been trying to communicate with others not just about giving but about daring to believe him and take a step in faith?
Lets look at gravitational laws, basically a heavy object will fall to the ground. I hold a rock in my hand, open my hand and the rock falls to the ground (on earth). So this is very basic and understood by most. As a matter of fact if it did not fall when I opened my hand, I would been accused of having glued the rock to my palm.
We know God made this gravity phenomenon possible. We call them gravitational LAWS. Now GOD also made some giving laws, even if pastor B.Hawk did not hear very well from God the very least that is going to happen is that it will all come back, even it abundance. Give and it shall be .....?

Recon God will have glue in his hand or will he be true to his word?

Posted by twistieangel on August 31, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I dont have the patience yet to read in detail all that has been said about what happened at KLF that wonderful Sunday. So I will just say this,"Come find out for yourself what its about and whats going on there, really!" if you doubt what God is doing come see for yourself first hand. God will let you know who He is and what He is doing with the people at KLF and in Clyde America!

Posted by katp1962 on September 2, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When we feel led by God to do something, we act on FAITH. I believe that God is doing a mighty, mighty work here in Clyde, America! And He is using His people to do this Work! May God Bless each and every person who He used on that Sunday! This reminds me of an email that a friend sent me, about "listen to what God is saying, and OBEY Him"

There was a man who had a dream. He heard God speaking to him. "Press hard against the large rock". He did not understand this until the morning. He looked out from his hut and saw a huge rock that had rolled down the hillside.

He began to push and push, but he could not move the rock. Throughout the day he had several attempts, but he could not move it. Convinced that God had spoken to him, he made a mission of this task and for weeks he spent some hours every day but he could not budge the rock.

A traveler came by and asked him what he was doing. "God told me to move this rock" he replied. The traveler laughed and said, "You must be mistaken. You will never move a rock that large". Still the man continued his attempts to move the rock without success. Another traveler came by some weeks later and asked what he was doing.

"God told me to move this rock" he replied. The traveler scorned him and said, "Your God is stupid to ask such a thing. It is impossible. Give up". That night the man turned to God in his prayer. "Lord, I have done what you asked, but the task is impossible and it seems you have made fun of me. The travelers have mocked me for believing that I could move the rock as you asked me to do".

Then God spoke gently to him "My son. Look at your strong arms and legs; look at the rippling muscles in your back; look at the tanned hardness of your skin. Look at your increased strength. Look what has happened to you. You are a different man! I asked you to press against the rock and this you have done. I never told you to move it!"

Posted by wendy.barron on September 7, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did Jesus prequalify the crowds he fed the loaves and fish to? (If a man will not work he shall not eat). Saw that somewhere in the bible...

Posted by jesuslovesme on September 7, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah, he fed them, why didnt he just give them the money. just a thought

Posted by wendy.barron on September 9, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jesuslovesme please be advised that this comment was left by my husband not me. I will pass your message on to him, set him up with his own account and let him respond to you. thank you.