Posted by ddawkins71 on August 16, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, those "christians"...always ready to ignore the precepts of their own belief systems if they think there's a good enough reason. Good thing for them there's no "god", or they'd be in deep sewage!

Posted by wbarloww on August 16, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder as I read more and more of these 'letters to the editor', that what is going on is that Obama supporters are pretending to be one of those 'right wing Christian Groups' and are sending these e-mails to other Obama supporters, so they can then write the paper and complain to try and create the 'Obama Guilt' effect. The 'Obama Guilt' effect is the attempts by Obama supporters to try and get votes by guilt. Because during the past few weeks the total number of these "anti-Obama e-mails" I have gotten is ZERO.

Posted by donnavan on August 16, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wbarloww,
Post your email address and I will send you all the ones I receive from the "Christians" and yes they claim to be Christians.

Posted by rampbrat on August 16, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mine are all coming from people who know I am voting for Obama and are trying to change my mind. But these are the same people who believe everything they see on the internet. Guess they figure I will, too.

Posted by Steve2 on August 16, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN Nancy Reynolds, You've hit the nail on the head. I'm an Independent Ron Paul supporter and I have been getting these "bearing false witness" emails from my "Church going Christian, Conservative Family Values Republican" friends and family members as well. I've even gone so far as to reply with sites for them to check out that confirm that the information contained in the emails that they forwarded to me contained information that rises to the level of "bearing false witness". The most astounding response to one of my reply emails was "It was meant as a JOKE" ! I'm really not surprised at this type of behaviour coming out of the Bible Belt ! When I receive these type of emails in the future, I'm going to reply with a “tumor of the soul” link:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontr...

Posted by rvrm1969 on August 16, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is one I received today.

http://www.youtube.com/v/4FCNKwHRCQM

If it doesn't link copy and paste it.

Enjoy!

Posted by wbarloww on August 16, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

donnavan,

So you will send me the one that really originate with MoveOn.org or the DNC? Because they might just be the ones behind it. Or are you about to deny that any Obama/DNC/MovewOn.org operatives might be behind any of the 'Bad Obama' e-mail.

Posted by jhblrb on August 16, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The false emails come from the Michael Reagan, Rush Limbaugh,FOX NEWS (we distort, you decide)machine. The real problem is that these well educated individuals know that they are spreading lies. They're not interested in the truth being broadcast, just with doing anything to get their party elected. The real losers are the ones that frantically forward these emails to everyone that they know, not knowing that there is a "cookie" attached that reports all the email addresses back to the origional senders of this hate mail. That's why they continue to be flooded with requests to keep sending this propoganda. The Right Wing knows how to work the dirty tricks, internet, You Tube machine. But, America had figured out the lies of the past eight years. That is why Barack Obama is the next President of the United States. It's called honesty.

Posted by Steve2 on August 16, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The Right Wing knows how to work the dirty tricks, internet, You Tube machine."

Q: Voting machines too ?

Voting Machine Controversy
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines...

Posted by jhblrb on August 16, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Voting machines, too.

Posted by Shootstir on August 16, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obamassiah-ship is in overdrive, ughhhh!
Did you read what that nitwit's economic advisors wrote in the WSJ this week? They
took another play out of his political playbook
by not backing up their own claims about his
economic policy.

No, Obama is not the answer- why? Because he
doesn't "answer" anything with facts- only grand displays of rhetoric and flowing platitudes. He
refuses to be interviewed by anyone whose nose
isn't stuck up his crack and farting his praises...

Posted by wild_bill on August 16, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone who needs an Internet story or an e-mail to help make up their mind about who to vote for in a Presidential election is too stupid to be allowed to vote in the first place.

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 16, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no test for stupidity at the voting booth, Wild_Bill...An unfortunate fact of modern life is that all too many voters DO accept emails and internet stories at face value and vote accordingly.

vrm1969...thanks for the link....I wonder how the commentator knows that Jesus would support bombing terrorists, real and imagined, instead of turning the other cheek? I have a pretty good working knowledge of the Gospels and cannot recall a single verse that would enable me to state with moral certainty that Jesus would condone our war against Iraq or Afghanistan.

Posted by Shootstir on August 16, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Earthly "morals" do not equate to heavenly insight or wisdom, they fall miserably short of the mark. Thus, we have grace...

Posted by jarlead on August 16, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So its the Christians again. I am sure glad the "pagans" never do anything wrong. Come on folks, this is politics. Do not make such sweeping generalities.

The What Would Jesus Do argument, is a straw man. You can turn that into anything to support your position.

Posted by wild_bill on August 16, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's a thought dr_dawggy. Perhaps we need a "Poll TEST" instead of the old Poll Tax? Hell, we have trouble getting all our students to pass the TAKS test. Can you imagine if all voters had to pass a competency test? Considering the idiots on "JayWalking", we'd be lucky to get 2% passing rate on any political, historical or social competency test. We just THINK voter turn out is low now! HA!

Thank you for the best laugh I've had all day!

Posted by mhurt on August 16, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If a civics test were required the socialist-Democrats would never win another election. I for one think there should be a required exam when registering to vote. I'd rather 2% of the population make an educated vote than 98% of the population vote for someone based purely on demographics/feelings. The greatest threat to our country lies within.

Posted by Gus on August 16, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone watch Rick Warren interview Obama and McCain on CNN or Fox tonight? Interesting... One answered the questions, the other told stories (quite moving & patriotic), and has no idea what "rich" is and believes he can run this country without raising taxes.

Trillions of dollars in debt and no plans to change anything...wow...there's a miracle in the making.

Posted by reaganite on August 16, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gus
"Anyone watch Rick Warren interview Obama and McCain on CNN or Fox tonight? Interesting... One answered the questions, the other told stories (quite moving & patriotic),"

There it is, the big difference between the left and the right.

The right believes America is a great nation that can get better. The left believes America is as bad as Nazi Germany and is getting worse.

Posted by Gus on August 16, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reaganite: You are wrong...again. It's not about left and right. It's about looking beyond the fact that someone is and was a great patriot, but is horribly weak as a leader.

The left believes this is a great nation that can get better and is willing to make the sacrifice and commitment to make it better.

Unlike the right who believes because their little corner of the world is peachy all is right with the world.

Pathetic.

Posted by wildturkey on August 16, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All you have to do is listen to what Obama actually says or does not say to make up your mind. Do not listen to what others say he said or write that he said. Go straight to the source. From what Obama has said, his wife has said, his pastor has said, his acquaintances have said and done, he will not get my vote.

Posted by huckster on August 17, 2008 at 12:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

which two emails were true?

Posted by TennesseeDavis on August 17, 2008 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you don't want to continue the cycle of bad or misleading emails, hit the freakin delete button.
Assuming that only Christians send these emails is aburd. That is playing a religion card if I've ever seen it. Typical tool of the left here, saying it is an orchestrated Christian campaign. That is their gripe, but when someone says "all muslims are terrorists", they bite back with a vengance saying that is religious and racial profiling (which is correct). That said, so is pigeon-holeing all Christians as distributors of anti-Obama material. Works both ways, but that's just my 2 cents.

Posted by jarlead on August 17, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the left is orchestrating that Christians are sending these emails, soes that mean the left are not Christians?

Posted by TennesseeDavis on August 17, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not at all laj...there are a ton of good folks on the left that are Christians just as there is on the right...but those certain folks that work as "talking heads" and throw the stones for the left and the right love to drive these wedges and play the blame game, often using a race or religion card because those are the most divisive.
Maybe my gripe is more with the PC police than the left I called out, but from the comments that I saw above from lefties, that is why I called out the left.

Posted by ropers40 on August 17, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Its amazing what lengths people will go to, to try and win an election.
Christian spreading lies that they know are lies.
Swift Boaters that write books that are nothing but lies, and they went on tv and admitted it.
Rush Limbaugh doing what he does best , being a nut.
All of this to make sure their career politician gets elected.
If this is the type of people John McCain alings himself with, then what does it have to say about his integrity.

Posted by huckster on August 17, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ropers,
if you think that obama is anything but a "career politician", then you haven't been paying attention. this guy is the consumate politician. you may agree with him, and i will defend your right to do so, but both major candidates are career politicians. one's career is simply longer than the other's.

Posted by whatif on August 18, 2008 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Every politician is a career politician. Running for any office and winning is just the training area to learn to be a lobbist. This is where the real power lies.

Posted by whatif on August 18, 2008 at 12:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

huck, when you state he has only been in the senate and as a stste rep. for a few months with no experience (Obama), now you say he is a career politician? Please explain.

Posted by ropers40 on August 18, 2008 at 1:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

snap

Posted by reaganite on August 18, 2008 at 5:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ropers40

"Swift Boaters that write books that are nothing but lies, and they went on tv and admitted it."

Really? I'd love to see your link proving that whopper.

Posted by bab98a on August 18, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone else notice it was a christian who wrote this letter questioning the accuracy of the emails and actually following up on the answer? That does tend to contradict the idea that "christians" are blindly forwarding hate-obama mail....just an observation.

Posted by officerx on August 18, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The false emails come from the Michael Reagan, Rush Limbaugh,FOX NEWS (we distort, you decide)machine." WHERE IS YOUR PROOF jhbrlb???? So I guess you have exmained all the email headers and traced each and every IP.....let's see the proof please........

Posted by stamfordite on August 18, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard no one crabbing about the e-mails making the rounds a couple of years ago about Rick Perry having a homosexual affair and how the affair would destroy the Republican party. The story broke, but it wasn't Rick Perry, wasn't in Texas, and wasn't a Republican. I know some people in the Abilene area who still believe that story and are anxiously awaiting it to become public. Of course, these aren't fact finders or fact followers, just Rick Perry haters. On one side you have the end justifies the means, and on the other it's leggo of my eggo.

Posted by ropers40 on August 18, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

reaganite, it was either CNN or CNBC, check the archives. I dont sit and write down all the mess I just listen to what is said. I dont lie and if you knew me you would know that.

Posted by abc123 on August 18, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just want to point out that Saturday night only one candidate actually took the opportunity to explain what it means to be a Christian. One said "Jesus Christ died for my sins and I'm redeemed through Him", and one said two words and neither included Jesus, and then he started telling a story about himself. What an opportunity to actually verbalize the most important truth in the world and the one who did it is the very one that so many (definitely not all) criticize and say he's not a Christian.

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 18, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

abc123 yeah, but he is a "socialist demorat", which trumps all that Christian God talk stuff.

Jesus only matters if you dress him up in a conservative suit and tie and have him utter support for killing Islamofacists before they kill us, free enterprise and, most important of all, lower tax rates. Amen.

Ok, it is an exaggeration. But not much.

Posted by pcdrs on August 18, 2008 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

raygun-lite, swift boat has become a synonym for lying. Do you ever read or watch anything except faux news and hate radio?

Posted by huckster on August 18, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

now i get why you don't make sense, pcdrs. you spend all of your time "watching" your radio.

Posted by reaganite on August 18, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bozo
"swift boat has become a synonym for lying."

Really now, if that is true, you can prove it with links backing up your post, right?

I mean ropers declined to prove it with links, why don't you give it a try?

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 18, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I condemn the Swift Boat Vets for Truth ad. It is dishonest and dishonorable. I think it is very, very wrong." (2004)on ABC News--Senator John McCain

Several Swift Boat Vets admitted they swore to events about John Kerry that they never observed but had only heard about from other Swift Boat Vets.

Dispicable.

Posted by pcdrs on August 19, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

huck and raygun-lite, you helped make swift boat a synonym for lying by repeating the lies told by corsi and the swift boat smear machine. You repeated the lies loud and long so you should be proud you helped put swift boat in the dictionary.

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 19, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pcdrs and ropers...you are in good company. No less a figure than the Republican candidate for president agrees with you. Swift Boaters lie and cheat.

Posted by qquixi on August 19, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by laj on August 16, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So its the Christians again. I am sure glad the "pagans" never do anything wrong. Come on folks, this is politics. Do not make such sweeping generalities.

Pagans are more intrested in the truth, than which church a candidate attends. Morals and good values are not exclusively christian, I know many christian/non-christians, male/female, gay/straight, republican/democrat, that have great morals. You attack people because they don't think like you and that is a disgrace to whatever group you fasten your horse to.

Posted by reaganite on August 19, 2008 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bozo
"you helped make swift boat a synonym for lying by repeating the lies told by corsi and the swift boat smear machine. You repeated the lies loud and long so you should be proud you helped put swift boat in the dictionary."

Surely, if they were lies, you could provide links to prove it.

Really, you made the accusations, can't you be bothered to back them up with facts?

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 20, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is a long and informative section on Wikepedia about the lies told by the Swift Boat Vets, complete with numerous references. Since it is not related to this election year or directly related to the topic of this thread...I won't bore you with the details...other than to say what I have said earlier...even John McCain was disgusted by the actions of the Swift Boaters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_Ve...

Posted by reaganite on August 20, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dr__dawggy
Why is it when you libs want to post "facts" you rely on Wiki? You do know that Wiki allows anyone to alter the content?

Sigh, you libs follow the Mythbuster's motto, "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

So sad.

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 21, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you about wiki. Hence my comment to check out the references cited at the end of the Wiki article to verify to material cited in the article. I notice you have neatly avoided dealing with the substance by criticizing the messagenger...

Posted by reaganite on August 21, 2008 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dr_dawggy
" I notice you have neatly avoided dealing with the substance by criticizing the messagenger..."

You libs have avoided providing actual facts for days. Really, it's real simple, you claim they lied, prove it.

You drown out the message by providing a link to Wiki and expect me to do your legwork.

You and your fellow libs made the accusation, the onus is on you to back up your statements.

Posted by rannc on August 21, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I had the pleasure to chat with one of Kerry's Commanders.

You have a guy who is in the theater for three months and gets three Purple Hearts, and a Silver Star with Valor, which doesn't exist.

All of this while on a little boat patroling in an area that did not see combat.

You figure it out.

I have. Kerry is an idiot, and was then. They got him out of the theater because he was such a dangerous, pompous idiot.

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 21, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reaganite....
Yup all we "libs" claim the Swift Boat Vets lied...

"I condemn the Swift Boat Vets for Truth ad. It is dishonest and dishonorable. I think it is very, very wrong." (2004)on ABC News--Senator John McCain

Posted by reaganite on August 21, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dr__dawggy
You are relying on a RINO's words?

Well by your standard Hillary said Obama isn't qualified, oh, and so did Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6syU...

So which is? Are you going to provide factual links or keep dodging the fact that you and your fellow libs made accusations that you won't back up?

Posted by dr__dawggy on August 22, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories...

McCain probably knew what any quasi objective observer knew--the Swift Boat group was politically motivated and its smear campaign was based on dubious information and outright lies.

Take Swift Boat member Alfred French, for example...

"I served with John Kerry. . . . He is lying about his record." French swore in a legal affadavit.

French later admitted he had no first hand knowledge of the events he said Kerry was lying about.....

I could go on but what's the point? Kerry is not running. The Swift Boat group has been discredited, albeit too late to do Kerry any good.

Posted by reaganite on August 22, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I could go on but what's the point? Kerry is not running."

So, you found one of the Swift Boat Vets wasn't telling the truth.

Does that mean they are all liars?

Posted by pcdrs on August 23, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

raygun lite, I'll tell ye again, swift boater's lied through thier teeth and "swift boat" has become a synonym for lying. Financed by boone pickens and bob perry they hired the same guy that Nixon hired to discredit Kerry. He paid some bribes and got the lies together to fool the dim-witted true believers like you. You still believe saddam had WMD's don't ye. You're a republican dream come true, a dim-witted person that will believe anything as long as it isn't true.